mickthemagpie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Another that just came to mind was Luuk De Jong under Pardew. Wasn't it the same kind of talk? How he can't kick a football and can't finish good one aye, exactly the same criticism, now at sevilla so he presumably could kick a ball properly unless that deal is bent to fuck as well 2 goals in 16 games. Not the best example really. way to miss the point Indeed!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Another that just came to mind was Luuk De Jong under Pardew. Wasn't it the same kind of talk? How he can't kick a football and can't finish good one aye, exactly the same criticism, now at sevilla so he presumably could kick a ball properly unless that deal is bent to fuck as well 2 goals in 16 games. Not the best example really. way to miss the point Why's that? De Jong was criticised because he wasn't very good. His time at Seville hasn't changed that. Unless I need to read back about 20 post to see what the original claim was? Even Joselu is a better example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 This narrative is getting stretched to absurd levels now. Waiting for the “Rivière was also actually good” post in 3, 2, 1... Luuk De Jong looked terrible for us. The issue is not even these individual players but the fact that we keep signing the wrong type of players for the setup we have. So I halfway agree with you guys. It matters not what these players end up doing after they leave us, it’s that we don’t have a cohesive vision or plan for how the team should play — only Rafa had this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 This narrative is getting stretched to absurd levels now. Waiting for the “Rivière was also actually good” post in 3, 2, 1... Luuk De Jong looked terrible for us. The issue is not even these individual players but the fact that we keep signing the wrong type of players for the setup we have. So I halfway agree with you guys. It matters not what these players end up doing after they leave us, it’s that we don’t have a cohesive vision or plan for how the team should play — only Rafa had this. Correct, and the problem was the club didn't want the manager choosing the players. It's not the manager, it's the policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Ryan Babel next, eh? Another older player/cheap option. They could have had Rondon signed and sealed for £16million last summer, but oh no. Mike knows best! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 This narrative is getting stretched to absurd levels now. Waiting for the “Rivière was also actually good” post in 3, 2, 1... Luuk De Jong looked terrible for us. The issue is not even these individual players but the fact that we keep signing the wrong type of players for the setup we have. So I halfway agree with you guys. It matters not what these players end up doing after they leave us, it’s that we don’t have a cohesive vision or plan for how the team should play — only Rafa had this. Correct, and the problem was the club didn't want the manager choosing the players. It's not the manager, it's the policy. It's the policy without a doubt, but when you bring in a manager who has no clue how to use the type of player you are recruiting, it's a double whammy. Especially if he's got some local flavour so fans are reluctant to turn on him. Obviously a shit manager isn't going to argue with the boss that his policy is wrong. It takes a genuinely good one to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 This narrative is getting stretched to absurd levels now. Waiting for the “Rivière was also actually good” post in 3, 2, 1... Luuk De Jong looked terrible for us. The issue is not even these individual players but the fact that we keep signing the wrong type of players for the setup we have. So I halfway agree with you guys. It matters not what these players end up doing after they leave us, it’s that we don’t have a cohesive vision or plan for how the team should play — only Rafa had this. Yes, I agree. This then leads to the problem of never really knowing how good these players could have been, which is a big problem. We've had a lot of talent come and go through the club despite the policy for signing players. I understand Luuk wasn't good for us, but when we continuously see the same narrative of all these guys not being able to kick the ball or finish simple chances for so many of these guys I think it really points out how glaring the issues at this club are. It's one thing if they weren't quite good enough, but they all end up barely looking like footballers and are thus completely written off. That is crazy. Even someone like Joselu under Rafa had his moments and made a bit of a contribution here and there despite not being that great, with some now joking that we should bring him back. As if he'd be anything near the same under Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Glenn Murray would be a Premier League version of Daryl Murphy but Andy Carroll already is too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 This narrative is getting stretched to absurd levels now. Waiting for the “Rivière was also actually good” post in 3, 2, 1... Luuk De Jong looked terrible for us. The issue is not even these individual players but the fact that we keep signing the wrong type of players for the setup we have. So I halfway agree with you guys. It matters not what these players end up doing after they leave us, it’s that we don’t have a cohesive vision or plan for how the team should play — only Rafa had this. Yes, I agree. This then leads to the problem of never really knowing how good these players could have been, which is a big problem. We've had a lot of talent come and go through the club despite the policy for signing players. I understand Luuk wasn't good for us, but when we continuously see the same narrative of all these guys not being able to kick the ball or finish simple chances for so many of these guys I think it really points out how glaring the issues at this club are. It's one thing if they weren't quite good enough, but they all end up barely looking like footballers and are thus completely written off. That is crazy. Even someone like Joselu under Rafa had his moments and made a bit of a contribution here and there despite not being that great, with some now joking that we should bring him back. As if he'd be anything near the same under Bruce. Fair points. I do wonder how much of an impact our abject policy and management has on the confidence and application of skills from these signings: you can tune into a satellite and watch Luuk’s shot still trickling towards the goal line from that chance he had at SJP. How do these guys end up looking barely like professional footballers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Bring Mitro back... /tinhat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 https://twitter.com/ManuLonjon/status/1214440170017230848 Ryan Babel discussions apparently. Looked good at Fulham last time around. Not sure we'd put him in positions to be useful. I do like him though. Another 33 year old Where’s that strict club policy gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 https://twitter.com/ManuLonjon/status/1214440170017230848 Ryan Babel discussions apparently. Looked good at Fulham last time around. Not sure we'd put him in positions to be useful. I do like him though. Another 33 year old Where’s that strict club policy gone? They've proven they can make exceptions. They made an exception around the rule that states we must have a shit manager when they brought Rafa in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 They do it if it's a loan or if the price is really cheap and the salary is also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I’m hoping the owners advisors have told him his club is going down unless money is spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Why? Don’t want us to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Why? Don’t want us to go down. What’s to stay up for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Lookman linked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a propheteer Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Lookman linked. I like what I've seen of him, think he would be a good signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Lookman linked. I like what I've seen of him, think he would be a good signing. Me too. Always looked decent when I saw him. Brewcie will soon sort that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Ryan Babel, christ Is Jermaine Pennant also available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Lookman could certainly happen. Expect better clubs to be in for him though. He has made 4 appearances this season and only 200 mins amassed. Not sure RB would want to give up on him this early but a loan move might well suit all parties to the end of the season. Not sure why we are being linked with Left Wingers though. Surely its the Right that needs balancing. Miggy and ASM are both best down the left, the former could go through the middle behind Glenn Murray though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Lookman is far better than the expected standard, so let's file this under 'Probably Not'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a propheteer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Lookman and Glenn Murray would see us safe like, what a time to be alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Instead of buying a Striker they concentrated on filling ASM position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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