Transfer rumours

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

this makes sense, 10m euro release clause and we've been pissing about probably bidding under it so far

 

 

Well we have form. One reason why the Lejeune's transfer was so drawn out. We agreed wages with Lejeune's agent, but tried to undercut the clause fee, and then attempted to pay what is a peanuts fee (in this market) in installments.

 

We're so small time, and pathetic.

To be fair, most football clubs seem to try to pay in installments when possible.

 

Rich clubs like Tottenham and Liverpool are paying NUFC in installments for Sissoko and Wijnaldum.

[mrmojorisin75]

this makes sense, 10m euro release clause and we've been pissing about probably bidding under it so far

 

 

Well we have form. One reason why the Lejeune's transfer was so drawn out. We agreed wages with Lejeune's agent, but tried to undercut the clause fee, and then attempted to pay what is a peanuts fee (in this market) in installments.

 

We're so small time, and pathetic.

To be fair, most football clubs seem to try to pay in installments when possible.

 

Rich clubs like Tottenham and Liverpool are paying NUFC in installments for Sissoko and Wijnaldum.

£30m and £25m vs £8m tho

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

Yes but relatively speaking those clubs are minted and could easily afford to pay in one go.

 

They were just two examples. We tend not to hear if clubs are paying in installments.

 

When NUFC sell players to foreign clubs it's like getting blood out of a stone getting money out of them.

[TRon]

 

From Wiki:

 

Özyakup is an energetic attacking-minded central midfielder. Being able to play simple and quickly, Özyakup can lead the team play. He is "skillful" at finishing and possesses high level of anticipation that allows him to be at the right place on the pitch, according to former Beşiktaş and Turkish international forward Feyyaz Uçar.

 

Özyakup is considered an "intelligent" player and was once called a "magician" by former Turkish international and current pundit Rıdvan Dilmen in 2015. Özyakup is praised by Dilmen for his "Zinedine Zidane-like" dribbling attributes and touted to be talented enough to play for Barcelona. In 2016, Turkey national team captain Arda Turan stated he believes Özyakup will become the leader once he (Turan) quits the national team, describing Özyakup as an "outstanding player", being "very intelligent" and "a big talent".

 

Özyakup is an admirer of the playmaking styles of Zinedine Zidane and the Argentine Juan Román Riquelme.

 

 

Sounds like a potential upgrade on Perez.

[54]

Still not made a bid for a player according to the Chron.

[Ikon]

We're showing intent

[Ketsbaia]

Still not made a bid for a player according to the Chron.

Monitoring takes time, you know.

[Infinitely Content]

 

From Wiki:

 

Özyakup is an energetic attacking-minded central midfielder. Being able to play simple and quickly, Özyakup can lead the team play. He is "skillful" at finishing and possesses high level of anticipation that allows him to be at the right place on the pitch, according to former Beşiktaş and Turkish international forward Feyyaz Uçar.

 

Özyakup is considered an "intelligent" player and was once called a "magician" by former Turkish international and current pundit Rıdvan Dilmen in 2015. Özyakup is praised by Dilmen for his "Zinedine Zidane-like" dribbling attributes and touted to be talented enough to play for Barcelona. In 2016, Turkey national team captain Arda Turan stated he believes Özyakup will become the leader once he (Turan) quits the national team, describing Özyakup as an "outstanding player", being "very intelligent" and "a big talent".

 

Özyakup is an admirer of the playmaking styles of Zinedine Zidane and the Argentine Juan Román Riquelme.

 

 

Sounds like a potential upgrade on Perez.

 

Nah different kind of player. Ozyakup is not the goalscorer/finisher Perez is/has been in his football development. For instance you wouldn't likely see him get 10 goals as Perez did last season. If I had to compare Ozyakup to a well known player in England it would be Ramsey (not saying he's as good as him mind).

 

PS. take the Barcelona comment with a pinch of salt, any player who shows a glimpse of talent gets touted as good enough for Barcelona. Just look at Merino.

[Disco]

[James]

 

My information is that it will be midday at noon tomorrow.

[Yorkie]

Poor Rafa.

[sempuki]

Poor Rafa.

Poor bugger has wasted his holidays again.

[Dave]

 

[Interpolic]

Poor cunt missed his holidays for this shit

Again

[Ketsbaia]

Not even a trip to Centre Parcs

[geordiedean]

And so the groundhog days of the transfer window is repeating. This has been the norm for 10 years now both summer and winter. Im amazed anyone even bothers on here with transfer info or gets themselves pissed off with whats happening. This has been common ground for us year on year you'd think wed have gotten used to the happenings and just thought fuck it

[Mr Logic]

Poor cunt missed his holidays for this shit

Again

 

It's so rank. He's a professional, good guy getting dicked around by a bunch of chancers and cunts. Pisses me off

 

That's probably why Ashley fucks off on holiday every transfer window, just rubbing the salt in nice and deep.

 

Despicable cunt. (Ashley)

[Mr Logic]

Couldn't help but laugh at this line in a Chronicle article.

 

"It is around this time of year that many fans experience moments of anxiety as clubs engage in player trading."

 

'moments of anxiety'

 

' Moments of Anxiety '

 

 

 

 

 

edit: The article continues....

 

Since 2007 the club has made a profit on player sales every season up to 2016-17 based on information contained within the club’s own balance sheets. The total profit is a staggering £179.8m. 

 

For last season – for which the accounts will not be released until March 2019 – our own data suggests that the club’s net spend on players for 2017-18 is £18.2m. However, as the cost of a transfer is typically amortised over the length of a player’s contract – ie, spread over a number of years rather than in a single year – predicting the effect of this on forthcoming accounts is difficult.

 

Why Newcastle’s policy relies on player outgoings

 

The inference that can be drawn from this is that Newcastle United relies on player sales as part of its normal operating practice. This raises some interesting points regarding just how a manager operates under these circumstances.

 

Firstly, it is frequently assumed that there is a transfer budget. However the historical profile suggests that the existence of a fixed amount of money to spend may not be the case at all. Indeed, the whole process of bringing players into the club may be predicated on releasing funds first via player sales before setting in motion any purchasing activity. Also, cashflow may be the determining factor in not only activity but also affordability.

 

Secondly, the apparent lack of a transfer budget makes longer-term strategic planning challenging - unless the club can find and develop a steady stream of low-cost talent from either the lower league divisions or graduates from the club’s academy.

 

Thirdly, in keeping with the self-financing objective, the club must avoid significant player trading losses.

 

Committed to spend

 

Within the latest set of accounts, there is a ‘Subsequent Events’ section which states: ‘The Group has committed to a further maximum net spend of approximately £46million (2016: net surplus of £40million) in respect of changes to the playing squad.’

 

Due to the amortisation policy outline above, this does not mean that the club will end up with a player trading deficit of up to £46million for 2018-19. The statement does reflect the intent to spend some funds based probably on the increased revenues earned in the club’s latest season in the Premier League. We estimate that revenues should be no less than £165million for a 10th place finish.

 

[mickthemagpie]

And so the groundhog days of the transfer window is repeating. This has been the norm for 10 years now both summer and winter. Im amazed anyone even bothers on here with transfer info or gets themselves pissed off with whats happening. This has been common ground for us year on year you'd think wed have gotten used to the happenings and just thought fuck it

 

It's a drug man, let them OD on it while they can, it's a long gap between windows.

[KaKa]

I have a feeling we are prioritising those loan players Rafa really likes at Chelsea, and so we are in a bit of limbo.

 

Trying for two of Abraham, Kennedy and Loftus-Cheek. Of course Chelsea are in a mess, which is terrible for us. The good thing is they do seem to have a good relationship with Rafa, and will be thrilled with how Kennedy was used last season. So when they do decide the will likely favour us as first option.

 

So I don't know ... do we just forget the Chelsea players and go on with separate plans? Can we afford to?

[mickthemagpie]

Thought we could only loan 1 from another premier league club.

[Shearergol]

I have a feeling we are prioritising those loan players Rafa really likes at Chelsea, and so we are in a bit of limbo.

 

Trying for two of Abraham, Kennedy and Loftus-Cheek. Of course Chelsea are in a mess, which is terrible for us. The good thing is they do seem to have a good relationship with Rafa, and will be thrilled with how Kennedy was used last season. So when they do decide the will likely favour us as first option.

 

So I don't know ... do we just forget the Chelsea players and go on with separate plans? Can we afford to?

 

Think the FA might notice us loaning two players from the same club.

[KaKa]

My mistake guys. Guess one of those 3 to loan then and perhaps purchase one of the remaining 2.

 

Chelsea messed us up this way last summer over Kennedy and we had to wait until January.

 

I really wish they'd just sort their managerial situation out.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-uniteds-transfer-budget-explained-14802307

 

Newcastle United's transfer budget explained: How much they'll have - and why

This is the best explanation yet for why Newcastle United's transfer budget is not at the top end of the Premier League market

 

By Roger Bell At Vysyble

 

‘What a waste of money’ is the polite term thrown at big money players when they play at opposition grounds and fail to shine.

 

It is not a phrase levelled at a Newcastle United player in recent years as the club just doesn’t do ‘big’ money transfers anymore. In fact, since Michael Owen’s £16million move to the North East in 2005-06, the most the club has paid for a player has been £14.5million for Georginio Wijnaldum in 2014.

 

It is around this time of year that many fans experience moments of anxiety as clubs engage in player trading. Rumours will abound, false hopes will be raised and ambitions will be dashed. Newcastle United is no different. So here is our take on the transfer budget that Newcastle United might have to play with.

 

Since 2007 the club has made a profit on player sales every season up to 2016-17 based on information contained within the club’s own balance sheets. The total profit is a staggering £179.8m.

 

For last season – for which the accounts will not be released until March 2019 – our own data suggests that the club’s net spend on players for 2017-18 is £18.2m. However, as the cost of a transfer is typically amortised over the length of a player’s contract – ie, spread over a number of years rather than in a single year – predicting the effect of this on forthcoming accounts is difficult.

 

Why Newcastle’s policy relies on player outgoings

The inference that can be drawn from this is that Newcastle United relies on player sales as part of its normal operating practice. This raises some interesting points regarding just how a manager operates under these circumstances.

 

Firstly, it is frequently assumed that there is a transfer budget. However the historical profile suggests that the existence of a fixed amount of money to spend may not be the case at all. Indeed, the whole process of bringing players into the club may be predicated on releasing funds first via player sales before setting in motion any purchasing activity. Also, cashflow may be the determining factor in not only activity but also affordability.

 

Secondly, the apparent lack of a transfer budget makes longer-term strategic planning challenging - unless the club can find and develop a steady stream of low-cost talent from either the lower league divisions or graduates from the club’s academy.

 

Thirdly, in keeping with the self-financing objective, the club must avoid significant player trading losses.

 

“Committed to spend”

Within the latest set of accounts, there is a ‘Subsequent Events’ section which states: ‘The Group has committed to a further maximum net spend of approximately £46million (2016: net surplus of £40million) in respect of changes to the playing squad.’

 

Due to the amortisation policy outline above, this does not mean that the club will end up with a player trading deficit of up to £46million for 2018-19. The statement does reflect the intent to spend some funds based probably on the increased revenues earned in the club’s latest season in the Premier League. We estimate that revenues should be no less than £165million for a 10th place finish.

 

What that means for the likely budget

However, we need to express a note of caution. Operating Expenses in the promotion season of 2016-17 were £140.3m (2015-16 - £96.5m) so we base our opinion on the premise that ongoing Operating Expenses have been reduced and partly offset by perhaps more profits from player sales with a reduction in amortisation charges. If not, then it is going to be a very close-run thing to achieve an economic surplus before the charge for capital and taxation are included. It also implies that player trading for the year will need to be neutral at worst.

 

Certainly if we assume an Economic Profit of £3.5m in 2017-18 (an improvement on the Economic Loss of £62.5m in 2016-17) with the cost of capital running at 7.5%, we think approximately £46.7m could be added to Invested Capital (the net value of the club’s players and other assets) before the club ventures into value-destroying territory i.e. where all of the costs of business exceed revenues.

 

In other words, for the club to remain value-neutral and assuming our projection of Economic Profit in 2017-18 is correct, then the club could increase the value of its playing squad by £46.7million (subject to cost and amortisation expenses as highlighted in the previous paragraph).

 

Why Newcastle’s problems are unique

Newcastle United is not alone in trying to acquire new talent for the cheapest possible price. What does make it more difficult is the apparent lack of a long-term strategy (apart from the obvious i.e. remain in the Premier League) and the economic planning that this requires. Without profits from player sales, the club’s financial and economic position would be a lot worse. Selling players for profit based on the historical record is a necessary activity for most clubs within the Premier League and Newcastle United is certainly no exception.

 

So, with little visibility so far regarding a transfer budget, this summer looks like being a tense affair unless there are a number of players being sold on to release funds, relieve the amortisation charge pressure on the profit and loss account and introduce some new faces.

 

Need to sell before we can buy then? If only other clubs outside of the Premiership, the Championship and the very top clubs (PSG, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid, Bayern, etc) had any money to buy our players.

[Yorkie]

Can't even be arsed to read shite like that. The reason why we don't spend any money is because the owner is cheap and doesn't give a shite about the progression of the club. Any form of numerical analysis of the situation is pointless when you've got the likes of Huddersfield, who came up with us and didn't have any sort of financial muscle beforehand, throwing £20m at players. We don't even have a budget; funds are released dependent on the context.