joeyt Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 The worst ones are when we get a free kick near halfway and just aimlessly float it towards the box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 targett's are better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I'd mainly like to see more of the inventive ones like that short corner that then went left us with a completely free attempt. Obviously there's a lot of bodies to get such a shot through but the chaos alone is handy. I guess the flip side is that if they become more frequent they're not going to be as inventive and likely to catch the opponent off-guard. But what we're doing already isn't exactly getting any joy anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I can’t remember where I read it but he creates a lot from the set pieces but we don’t convert them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Hitting the first man is overplayed as a thing that people get annoyed about. Any pro footballer can beat the first man and put a ball in the box, if they take a bit of pace and direction off it. Doesn't mean it will be threatening once it gets in there. We saw that for years with Pardew set pieces. To get the pace and direction needed to be a real threat at this level you will always risk hitting the first defender. As much as Trippier has annoyed me a bit his chance creation is really high. I think our CBs have been a let down in an attacking sense. Robert either hit the first man or put an absolute peach in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Feel like one of the biggest let downs from a goalscoring perspective has been Botman and Schar from set pieces (Burn too, tbf). We've got 3 big centre backs in there and not one of them has scored from a set piece. This can't be entirely down to Trippier. Yes, I went into this season expecting one of our core threats to be set piece headers, and it's incredibly far from being the case. To some extent it's a coaching choice - we clearly like our routines such as back post header across - but also our players lack real menace and conviction. The only one I can think of who does have it is Lascelles and he isn't on the pitch. 24 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Exactly. Burn's the big one for me, I know that he's aware of it but he's useless at headers in an attacking sense. He probably should have had 4 or 5 this season, easily. I'd actually say it's Botman who is the disappointment really. I'd priced in Burn being useless because we were told that before he joined and he's not powerfully built in a classic sense. But part of the reason he should have had 4 or 5 is that he's clearly been nominated as our best hope for offensive headers, which says bad things about Botman and co... Or the judgement of our set piece coaches, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Edited May 7, 2023 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Lascelles definitely would have bagged a couple of Trips free kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Sempiternal said: Lascelles definitely would have bagged a couple of Trips free kicks. His equaliser against Everton last year was a classic example of determination in action Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, 80 said: His equaliser against Everton last year was a classic example of determination in action He’s really good at attacking the ball on headers, botman and more so burn really don’t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Wouldn't know where to start looking but I'd be interested to see some stats as far as the ratio of quality chances created from his set pieces. Really does feel like we see a fair amount of threatening balls that get wasted by the recipients. Mix that in with my baseless assumption that we must get a high number of set pieces compared to most other teams? And it makes me wonder whether we focus on the duds, that by law of averages every team will have in a game, because we don't think so much about the good ones that weren't converted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I love this bloke, but he needs to be infinitely more threatening on set pieces. Every corner or free kick goes to him and, invariably, it doesn't end up in a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 The penalty shout came from a well worked corner routine tbf. Its balls into the box from set pieces we seem to be lacking from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) Sigh... This is completed deal ball passes which directly lead to a shot. That's 83 shots directly from Trippier set-piece deliveries. Way more than anyone else in the league. The deliveries are not the issue. He's literally been delivering more than anyone in the league. If you're expecting perfection all the time you're absolutely mad. edit: he also has 10.7 xAG; 3rd highest in the league behind KdB and Bruno F, but he only has 6 assists from it. This tells you how badly the people he's creating for are underperforming. Edited May 7, 2023 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 There has to be a way to make them more effective on set pieces....like...bundle Schar, Botman, Burn, Longstaff, Joelinton & Isak together so no opposition player can come in between them and have them rotating in a big circle like a carousel and explode into different areas as the ball is played? We have to be the tallest team in the league, and probably one of the worst on set pieces? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, Conjo said: There has to be a way to make them more effective on set pieces....like...bundle Schar, Botman, Burn, Longstaff, Joelinton & Isak together so no opposition player can come in between them and have them rotating in a big circle like a carousel and explode into different areas as the ball is played? We have to be the tallest team in the league, and probably one of the worst on set pieces? I need to see this at least once in my life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ponsaelius said: Feel like one of the biggest let downs from a goalscoring perspective has been Botman and Schar from set pieces (Burn too, tbf). We've got 3 big centre backs in there and not one of them has scored from a set piece. This can't be entirely down to Trippier. Feel like I mention it at every match, I don't understand how we win everything in the air all over the pitch, but when it comes to corners it just doesn't happen. You can blame some of it on delivery obviously but I'm fairly certain we should be getting more proper powerful headed goals from our beast of a team Edited May 7, 2023 by Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, ponsaelius said: Hitting the first man is overplayed as a thing that people get annoyed about. Any pro footballer can beat the first man and put a ball in the box, if they take a bit of pace and direction off it. Doesn't mean it will be threatening once it gets in there. We saw that for years with Pardew set pieces. To get the pace and direction needed to be a real threat at this level you will always risk hitting the first defender. As much as Trippier has annoyed me a bit his chance creation is really high. I think our CBs have been a let down in an attacking sense. Aye this was what Robert and Solano were so good at. Their technique was that it'd either not go high enough, or it'd just be the perfect whip where it was too high for the first man, too fast for the keeper to collect and was perfect to attack. No coincidence O'Brien, Dabizas, Shearer, Speed would score 2-3 a season from set-pieces each. They could have sacrificed how dangerous corners were by floating them but that'd have been shit. Edited May 8, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Conjo said: There has to be a way to make them more effective on set pieces....like...bundle Schar, Botman, Burn, Longstaff, Joelinton & Isak together so no opposition player can come in between them and have them rotating in a big circle like a carousel and explode into different areas as the ball is played? 6 hours ago, wormy said: I need to see this at least once in my life. The fuck are they doing this at Millwall away..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SiLvOR Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Just stuck this on, love listening to Tripps talk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 The problem with set pieces is that apart from Lascelles, none of other CBs or tall players seem to attack the ball, it feels like they just stay quite stationary and try and get their head on it, they need to start deeper and actually run onto it, like Lascelles against Everton last year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Joelinton and Isak are the only two capable of attacking the ball properly and I feel like we rarely aim for either of them directly. There's definitely some work that needs doing on the training pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 1 hour ago, 54 said: Class, will definitely listen to that, love KT me. There was a really funny moment yesterday just after Murphy knocked the ball out for a throw and they all had an argument about it. Jesus must have pushed KT or something because from the throw in he threw Jesus to the ground and then ran backwards flexing at him Not sure if the cameras picked it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Odd because Botman looked great from set pieces in France. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kanji said: Odd because Botman looked great from set pieces in France. Never saw him, but I'd heard that... If so, the question is what are we doing wrong now? Edited May 8, 2023 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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