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1 hour ago, Newcastle Fan said:

People suddenly forgot how good Botman is and how our win ratio with him playing is pretty fucking good?

The debate/issue for me is not how good he can be or what he can bring to the team hes down to a couple of years on his contract so the debate is for me is he worth a new 3 or 5 year deal with the wage bump that will likely come with it. Especially when you factor in the actual availability hes offered the last 2 years. 

 

If your going to commit we have to be sure we can get 40+ appearances from him a season and right now these niggles and recovery periods seem to stack up. I dont think we can afford to carry someone on 100k plus a week to be in and out of the team. Especially when you factor in kraft, Trips, schar,lascelles and Burn likely to go in the next 6 to 24 months. 

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3 hours ago, nufcjmc said:

The debate/issue for me is not how good he can be or what he can bring to the team hes down to a couple of years on his contract so the debate is for me is he worth a new 3 or 5 year deal with the wage bump that will likely come with it. Especially when you factor in the actual availability hes offered the last 2 years. 

 

If your going to commit we have to be sure we can get 40+ appearances from him a season and right now these niggles and recovery periods seem to stack up. I dont think we can afford to carry someone on 100k plus a week to be in and out of the team. Especially when you factor in kraft, Trips, schar,lascelles and Burn likely to go in the next 6 to 24 months. 

 

Not many player's of Botman's qualities are available in the market, whatever we'll pay for a replacement will be much more than what we will pay for his renewal.

 

Our medical team fucked up by allowing him to play with an ACL, it has really set him back and caused him problems but on his day there aren't many better defenders.

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5 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

Not many player's of Botman's qualities are available in the market, whatever we'll pay for a replacement will be much more than what we will pay for his renewal.

 

Our medical team fucked up by allowing him to play with an ACL, it has really set him back and caused him problems but on his day there aren't many better defenders.

Its the gamble/ risk vs reward the club will have to weigh up though. No point say putting him on 100k or 120k a week 5 year deal and him spend half or more on the treatment table.

 

The club can't afford to "carry" a player who cant stay fit. We are moving into a next phase of the back line with the keeper situation very much unresolved and older players likely moving on. I would like to build around sven and thiaw but to do that has got to be available. 

 

I also think it would be madness to not tie him down so he cant leave for nowt but thats why if hes not signed and extension come the summer or the club haven't seen a run of fixtures of him fit and performing I wouldn't be opposes to seeing if there us a buyer for him.

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16 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Schar was fine?


He was fine, but the physicality of the game was showing on him. Schar fine for tomorrow IMO, but Botman ideally needed for Leeds game.

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2 hours ago, Smal said:

Schar was really good against Burnley. Probably my motm.

Botman and Thiaw are a better partnership though

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3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Call me stupid but I want him to return because he's brilliant. 

 

Was brilliant, a while ago. Big 6 months for him, sure his contract ends in 18m as well. 

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3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Call me stupid but I want him to return because he's brilliant. 

Before he got injured I thought him and Thiaw were class together 

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4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Call me stupid but I want him to return because he's brilliant. 

He was brilliant when he first came here. The past 18 months he's been nothing short of awful. I really hope that I'm wrong but I feel that this player is shot to bits due to injuries.

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11 hours ago, Rod said:

He was brilliant when he first came here. The past 18 months he's been nothing short of awful. I really hope that I'm wrong but I feel that this player is shot to bits due to injuries.

Nothing short of awful is absolute exaggeration 

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