TheBrownBottle Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 You always hope for a Woodgate-esque home debut, but that’s a massive ask. Thought Botman looked ok-ish today; he needs to get used to the pace and reduced available reaction-time in games. He’s a baby in CB years, I’ve no doubt he’ll learn and get better and better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, Yorkie said: I think he's had some wobbles and looked nervous and that has justified Howe's intention to edge him into the side. But he's not been bad at all against the ultimate test so it bodes incredibly well. Youngest player in the team, don't forget. Playing the best team in the world as I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, McDog said: Playing for the best team in the world as I see it. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 yeah, didnt realise how rapid Haaland was especially the first couple of yards till i saw him live today. botman did ok in the circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Every single player had a few shaky moments against Man City. It's hardly criticism to point out, though a bit weird if Botmans thread is the only place people have made the comment to single him out. He'll be immense for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Aye. Even Man City had shaky moments, such was he intensity of the match. Botman coped a lot better than Walker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: You always hope for a Woodgate-esque home debut, but that’s a massive ask. Thought Botman looked ok-ish today; he needs to get used to the pace and reduced available reaction-time in games. He’s a baby in CB years, I’ve no doubt he’ll learn and get better and better Didn’t Woodgate play in the 2-6 vs Man Utd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 People expect defenders to be 100% all the time, seem to forget mighty City defenders got done for pace and skill by maxi and Wilson today, particularly for the second goal. To be clear, Botman stepped out to cover Haaland while their right winger cut in and beat the left back on a worldie pass by the best attacking mid in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Aye just watched MOTD2 there. Can't blame him for stepping out with Haaland. Burn switched off for a second while tracking Silva and it gave him that couple of yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Thought the same, looked like an error by Burn in losing his man above all else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 It’s Man City, it’s close to impossible to not to make errors, especially we made it an open game. Both Botman and Burn were fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 5 hours ago, LFEE said: Didn’t Woodgate play in the 2-6 vs Man Utd? Yep. But his debut was vs Chelsea - and it was one of the most impressive debuts SJP would have seen in my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandrotastico Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 All players make errors. It's part of the game. I didn't see any clangers today against arguably the best team in Europe. Excited to see him grow into the role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 He has made a better start to premier life than Koulibaly, he looked totally lost yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Shocking decision to go out and cover Haaland for Bernardo's goal from De Bruynes pass. Now he'll know, though, good learning experience that so not too mad. Got a little deflection too but still doesmt get a pass for stepping out. He did do well generally though, great to see him looking up and forward for passes. Got high hopes already. Only seen it once, but heard the same criticism on TV. Strikes me as a damned if you do, damned if you don’t kind of situation. If he’s stayed in the space (which Bernardo later occupied/drifted into) and didn’t follow Haaland, let him have the unmarked space he darted into between the six yard box and penalty spot, then no doubt the TV pundits would have slaughtered him for that too. But only with the 20-20 hindsight of Haaland scoring. Just as it is the wondrous pass from KdB and great movement and finish (who was meant to be tracking him?) from Bernardo that leads to similar certainty that Botman should have stayed in the space/not followed Haaland. You make snapshot choices in defence and elsewhere, sometimes it is only the outcome which makes them ‘wrong or right’, not the decision itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Aye just watched MOTD2 there. Can't blame him for stepping out with Haaland. Burn switched off for a second while tracking Silva and it gave him that couple of yards. This. Burn's fault all day. Just stopped tracking Silva. Shit happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Yeah I saw it as Burn’s mistake, not Botmans. Was a class move though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Hinchcliffe was a left-back as a player so could have just been him looking out for his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 It was Burn’s man for the second too. He switches off quite a lot unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Harsh to 'blame' anyone tbf. Very niggly and picky things. World class players will always find a way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Harsh to 'blame' anyone tbf. Very niggly and picky things. World class players will always find a way. Find it hard to see this any other way like. Was great vision and technique Edited August 22, 2022 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, OpenC said: Find it hard to see this any other way like. Was great vision and technique At the time I just thought City's 3rd goal was downright unfair. He had no right whatsoever to play that through ball. Was ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 i'm unconvinced by him and have been since the little i saw in preseason, but i'm also not declaring him a bust or writing him off he seems decent on the ball which is an asset but i've yet to seem him influence a game the way burn or schar do for us defensively this is not specific to yesterday before anyone starts and i know he's young/new to the league so hopefully he grows into it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Physically and positionally I thought he did really well, but he seemed panicky in terms of passing and receiving the ball. Let’s face it, he’s up against a monster of a striker, a monster of an attacking team, and he come out of it looking decent I thought. As did our whole team. He’ll be fine. It’s his second game for us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I agree that he's looked shaky to start with, but it's quite common for defenders. You don't get that extra few seconds in the PL, that you do in other European leagues and it makes all the difference. He couldn't have asked for two tougher games either. One where we up against it in blistering conditions and another against City. I actually thought defensively Burn was far more culpable than Botman yesterday, but he did play some sloppy passes and have a couple of nervous moments clearing his lines. I know no one is saying otherwise, but it's very early days yet. He'll be much better for the last couple of encounters as they've been brutal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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