Sven Botman

[andycap]

Do you think Eddie will shift burn to leftback when botman is ready to start games? 

[Miggys First Goal]

Should play with 5 at the back. 

[Joe1984]

On 29/11/2024 at 22:56, Rod said:

Between Christmas and New Year in my opinion.

Are your forgetting this is Newcastle, Rod.

 

Returns in a few weeks means a few months.

[Kid Icarus]

Great news. Now just for another potential 12 months for him to get back to being the same player.

[Yorkie]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Great news. Now just for another potential 12 months for him to get back to being the same player.

 

[Sima]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Massive news this 

 

 

 

See you next season, Sven.

[80]

14 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

To be serious, I can imagine Krafth being really helpful in guiding Botman and Lascelles in their recoveries, seeing as he's been there and done that so recently. Looks like he takes care of himself impeccably.

[Kanj]

46 minutes ago, andycap said:

Do you think Eddie will shift burn to leftback when botman is ready to start games? 

nah, Hall has been our best player this season. 

[Vaj]

Hopefully see him on the bench in the Carabao cup game all being well. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, andycap said:

Do you think Eddie will shift burn to leftback when botman is ready to start games? 

Of course not. 

[Ronaldo]

Not sure about that one. Can see either happening.

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Joe1984]

15 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

'Like a new signing'

 

Sure but will we get some ACTUAL new signings soon... 😆

[Sibierski]

Bromley at home seems like a logical first full start? Can’t see him being played before giving the intensity those games will have.

[Weezertron]

You’re our only hope 

[madras]

We always seem to be waiting for someone to come back, then it'll change.

[Checko]

If we can get this handsome bugger back playing well then, if we do have any money to spend in Jan, perhaps we can put it towards a RW/playmaker type, instead of an overpriced Marc hates-the-Guehis

[Joelinton7]

Wonder who will be sacrificed. Guessing Hall does his ACL. 

[alexf]

My expectations are low as I hope most should be for his level of performance when he returns. 

 

I know with hindsight now he was likely still struggling with something wrong in his knee last season, but when he returned from that first 3 months out he was awful. Painfully slow, making mistakes etc. He claimed at the time his knee was fine during that spell but I'd like to think he was covering playing through a problem. 

 

If he does eventually return to the player we had in 22/23 then he has a massive impact. I truly believe that part of why we don't press so aggressively now is because Burn can't do what Botman does. Botman used to press super aggressive and steal the ball high. Burn can't do that or when he tries he doesn't get there and gets exposed. Likewise now with an aging Schar who is a yard slower aswell now and we keep seeing going sliding in to tackles and missing them because his body can't do the thinks his head things it still can.

 

So I feel we consciously try not to expose the back 4. Although somehow we still look easy to play through, so clearly this hesitation to press isn't working. 

 

A fit healthy Botman will impact the whole team positively  🤞

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2024 by alexf

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Be like a new sighing 

[Lush Vlad]

7 hours ago, alexf said:

My expectations are low as I hope most should be for his level of performance when he returns. 

 

I know with hindsight now he was likely still struggling with something wrong in his knee last season, but when he returned from that first 3 months out he was awful. Painfully slow, making mistakes etc. He claimed at the time his knee was fine during that spell but I'd like to think he was covering playing through a problem. 

 

If he does eventually return to the player we had in 22/23 then he has a massive impact. I truly believe that part of why we don't press so aggressively now is because Burn can't do what Botman does. Botman used to press super aggressive and steal the ball high. Burn can't do that or when he tries he doesn't get there and gets exposed. Likewise now with an aging Schar who is a yard slower aswell now and we keep seeing going sliding in to tackles and missing them because his body can't do the thinks his head things it still can.

 

So I feel we consciously try not to expose the back 4. Although somehow we still look easy to play through, so clearly this hesitation to press isn't working. 

 

A fit healthy Botman will impact the whole team positively  🤞

 

 

 

 

He clearly was playing through a problem. It was the same knee that was operated on. There was conflicting advice about whether he could rehab and not need the op or if the operation was required straight away.
 

They went with the former. He came back and looked miles off it. Then ended up having to go under the knife, anyway. 
 

 

[alexf]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

He clearly was playing through a problem. It was the same knee that was operated on. There was conflicting advice about whether he could rehab and not need the op or if the operation was required straight away.
 

They went with the former. He came back and looked miles off it. Then ended up having to go under the knife, anyway. 
 

 

Agree with you. Just saying at the time all the sound bites coming out of him and the club were that his knee was fully recovered and he was 100%.

 

But to the eye he was clearly a shadow of what he was previously and then with the reoccurrence in that arsenal game I think it was proof his knee was never right. Felt like a shit show from the medical team at the time and still does now to be honest. 

[mighty__mag]

I hope this doesn't mean Hall loses his spot so Burn can go back to the left, that would be mental.

[Lush Vlad]

44 minutes ago, alexf said:

Agree with you. Just saying at the time all the sound bites coming out of him and the club were that his knee was fully recovered and he was 100%.

 

But to the eye he was clearly a shadow of what he was previously and then with the reoccurrence in that arsenal game I think it was proof his knee was never right. Felt like a shit show from the medical team at the time and still does now to be honest. 

 

He started the season well.  Then looked nothing like he did previously when he returned at the beginning of the year, last Christmas or whenever it was. 

 

I doubt the club would come out with "dropped a massive bollock here.  He's not right and will need an op to sort it out.  We should have done that in the first place."   not that I listen to much from the club or players.  Howe is notorious for his lies to the press or straight batting everything.   

 

 

Edited December 10, 2024 by Lush Vlad

[SteV]

59 minutes ago, alexf said:

Agree with you. Just saying at the time all the sound bites coming out of him and the club were that his knee was fully recovered and he was 100%.

 

But to the eye he was clearly a shadow of what he was previously and then with the reoccurrence in that arsenal game I think it was proof his knee was never right. Felt like a shit show from the medical team at the time and still does now to be honest. 

I think it transpired that the medical team were advising that he get the surgery done, but Botman himself was adamant that he felt OK and he could play through it, with the ‘expert’ opinions that were sought being split on whether doing so would result in it going completely.

 

In hindsight it was obviously a massive error to let Botman get his own way, but having said that, effectively forcing a player to have surgery when they feel they don’t need it is probably easier said than done.