Kanj Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Botman had his first call up in November 2020 -- and i think has played more for the U21 setup but also it sounds like that is by design? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Ake’s been in the setup longer and hasn’t really let them down I’d imagine? Might be the case. Usually if there’s a better player outside then that player often gets a chance at least. Just think it’s easy to say that Botman is better than Ake. Considering the difference of the level they’ve played against, especially when comparing the amount of games against high quality players. Personally of the two I’m not sure who I’d pick. Ake is more proven meanwhile Botman is more for the future too. Neither would by my 1st choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kanji said: Botman had his first call up in November 2020 -- and i think has played more for the U21 setup but also it sounds like that is by design? His first U21 call up? Yeah could be by design. Edited May 31, 2022 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Not fussed at all on Ake for that money. I'm not even sure he's better than Schar or Burn tbh. He's not shit obviously, that's not what I'm saying but I don't see how he'd improve us more than slightly for a massive wedge of cash. We can, and hopefully will, sign someone much better for around the same fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Ikon said: His first U21 call up? Yeah could be by design. First senior squad call up in Nov 2020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Manxst said: First senior squad call up in Nov 2020. Cheers. Didn’t know he had been called up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, midds said: Not fussed at all on Ake for that money. I'm not even sure he's better than Schar or Burn tbh. He's not shit obviously, that's not what I'm saying but I don't see how he'd improve us more than slightly for a massive wedge of cash. We can, and hopefully will, sign someone much better for around the same fee. Pau Torres. Agent is in the UK at the moment to do a transfer, supposedly to Man Utd….but I’d love it to be us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitude20 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: xG is pretty useless when analysing a player like, especially over a short period of time (like 1 season). I imagine it's useful for proper stat geeks in the game to look at how teams will create more opportunities playing a certain way (Pep might be told that getting to the byline and putting the ball in across the 6 yard box more leads to a higher xG for example), but as a number for some Twitter 'analyst' to pick out proving X player is scoring more than he should etc? You're not going to find anything out that you wouldn't just watching him. I disagree with saying xG is pretty useless. xG is the probability that a shot will be converted to a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and by comparing it to the outcome of thousands of similar shots. So xG is the number of goals the average player would have scored if he was provided with those particular chances (since it calculates the probability based on average). If Nunez scored double his xG, it means he scored double what the average striker would have scored if both were given similar chances. That’s a pretty big deal. however, I agree with you on saying the xG of a single season could be misleading, as that small sample could simply be an outlier and not a true representation of his skills. I can’t argue with that, and we won’t know unless we see how he performs in the next couple of years. Edited May 31, 2022 by Solitude20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ikon said: Cheers. Didn’t know he had been called up. https://www.ligue1.com/Articles/OTHER-COMPETITIONS/2020/11/12/botman-gets-first-netherlands-call was a replacement for Ake, but stayed on the bench for both games in his first squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Feel like Villa will go for Ake; he’s basically the player Mings wants to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey47 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Solitude20 said: I disagree with saying xG is pretty useless. xG is the probability that a shot will be converted to a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and by comparing it to the outcome of thousands of similar shots. So xG is the number of goals the average player would have scored if he was provided with those particular chances (since it calculates the probability based on average). If Nunez scored double his xG, it means he scored double what the average striker would have scored if both were given similar chances. That’s a pretty big deal. however, I agree with you on saying the xG of a single season could be misleading, as that sample could simply be an outlier and not a true representation of his skills. I can’t argue with that, and we won’t know unless we see how performs in the next couple of years. I agree with your take on xG. Regarding Nunez and him scoring double his xG, the question is: Has he managed to do that because he is an elite finisher or has he been extremely lucky? I've seen in here about players who usually outperform their xG like Kane and Son but how many other forwards actually double their xG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Why has everyone decided the Milan takeover is the end of the Botman deal? It's hardly like they were short of a few quid under the previous ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Earlier on, I saw footage of Ashworth from his Brighton days (naturally I can't find it now), talking about how we'll probably operate going forward. At Brighton he had a traffic light system based on three factors: i) the input of the recruitment team ii) the input of the head coach iii) the financial viability of the transfer. He'd talk things through with all parties concerned before proceeding with a transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: No sensible club would have a plan like “we’ll sign three players” anyway. Doesn’t make any sense. It does for dressing room harmony which Howe has openly stated is his biggest challenge whilst improving the squad. Its always been seen as the right amount of players to interchange in a squad from past successful managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitude20 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Joey47 said: I agree with your take on xG. Regarding Nunez and him scoring double his xG, the question is: Has he managed to do that because he is an elite finisher or has he been extremely lucky? I've seen in here about players who usually outperform their xG like Kane and Son but how many other forwards actually double their xG? Do you know who else scored double his xG? Hugo Ekitike ? It seems Eddie likes those stats lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I'm more than happy to take a quality over quantity approach, but I'll be amazed if we only sign three players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Earlier on, I saw footage of Ashworth from his Brighton days (naturally I can't find it now), talking about how we'll probably operate going forward. At Brighton he had a traffic light system based on three factors: i) the input of the recruitment team ii) the input of the head coach iii) the financial viability of the transfer. He'd talk things through with all parties concerned before proceeding with a transfer. This is why I always felt that rather than his arrival signalling a sudden influx of signings, he'll probably want to have a look at where we are with various negotiations and offer advice, opinions and/or assistance with the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, LFEE said: Its always been seen as the right amount of players to interchange in a squad from past successful managers. What's the evidence for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I'm more than happy to take a quality over quantity approach, but I'll be amazed if we only sign three players. We need young players since we have almost nothing coming through the academy as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, neesy111 said: What's the evidence for this? If you’re looking to take a team from 5th to 4th or 2nd to 1st maybe. When you’re trying to go from mid-table to challenging the top 6 you need more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 It's very likely they'll be outgoings from some fringe players who will need replacing etc. Also like all clubs if the right deal comes along for a player you should go for it if the money is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 No matter what, I really don’t want cast offs from other PL. clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: If you’re looking to take a team from 5th to 4th or 2nd to 1st maybe. When you’re trying to go from mid-table to challenging the top 6 you need more than that. It also depends on what type of players your signing is it first team or is it squad players. I'd argue we need to strengthen both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, neesy111 said: It also depends on what type of players your signing is it first team or is it squad players. I'd argue we need to strengthen both. Either way we’ll not finish top 6 with only 3 signings imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Bruno didn’t sign for us being promised that we. Will sign 3 players that are relatively “cheap”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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