More transfer rumours

[ponsaelius]

It's gone very quiet on outgoings. I think we're going to have a real challenge shifting players on.

 

The players we need to shift are all on PL wages but in many cases are of Championship quality. You're not going to get fees for players like that. Particularly when every potential buyer knows you want rid.

 

So therefore in many cases it's going to be a case of subsidising wages to loan them out or subsidise their wages for sales. However in a lot cases the likes of Gayle, Clark, Darlow, Fernandez etc have been here years and are settled in the NE. In their early 30s now they have young families with kids starting school. You have to convince them to go and play elsewhere or move away permanently. It requires motivation to want to go and play every week and uprooting their routines or families to do so.

 

For no financial benefit will they do so? If you have a permanent contract here why move on? Instead come in and train near your settled home and get paid. There's also an outside chance you make the final 25 if you hang around right until the last day so there's reduced motivation to push for a move Asap.

 

The ones that will move on are those still wanting to progress in their careers (e.g. Woodman) or who have long expressed an interest in moving back further south (e.g. Hayden). 

 

Our isolated location works against us here too. There isn't any other PL clubs nearby - and only Boro have the financial potential to take on some of the deadwood. If you're a PL club in London there's a whole host of clubs you could dump players on without uprooting those players lives.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by ponsaelius

[Kid Icarus]

Diaby feels too perfect and unlikely. Would be happy with either Harrison or Sarr if Diaby's out of grasp. 

[madras]

33 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

But it is very difficult. Messi scores something like 12% of his goals with his right. Ronaldo 20% on the left foot. Callum Wilson is at 16-20%. Diaby seems to score a good amount with his weaker foot - higher than average.

 

 

 

Maybe they would score more with their "wrong" foot if they played predominantly on the other aide meaning more chances fell to that side ? Anyhow, like I say, it was his passes with his "wrong" foot that I was more impressed with.

 

 

Edit.....its after watching him on YT I had to check as when he's shooting with his right it doesn't look natural, like a thousand time better version of myself, I can get a shot away with my right, usually hard, low and straight.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by madras

[jonny1403]

17 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

It's gone very quiet on outgoings. I think we're going to have a real challenge shifting players on.

 

The players we need to shift are all on PL wages but in many cases are of Championship quality. You're not going to get fees for players like that. Particularly when every potential buyer knows you want rid.

 

So therefore in many cases it's going to be a case of subsidising wages to loan them out or subsidise their wages for sales. However in a lot cases the likes of Gayle, Clark, Darlow, Fernandez etc have been here years and are settled in the NE. In their early 30s now they have young families with kids starting school. You have to convince them to go and play elsewhere or move away permanently. It requires motivation to want to go and play every week and uprooting their routines or families to do so.

 

For no financial benefit will they do so? If you have a permanent contract here why move on? Instead come in and train near your settled home and get paid. There's also an outside chance you make the final 25 if you hang around right until the last day so there's reduced motivation to push for a move Asap.

 

The ones that will move on are those still wanting to progress in their careers (e.g. Woodman) or who have long expressed an interest in moving back further south (e.g. Hayden). 

 

Our isolated location works against us here too. There isn't any other PL clubs nearby - and only Boro have the financial potential to take on some of the deadwood. If you're a PL club in London there's a whole host of clubs you could dump players on without uprooting those players lives.

 

 

 

 

Great post. It annoys me when our fans have a go at players who aren't willing to move on like Clark in January. Why should they take a pay cut and uproot their family if they don't want to? He's 32, had a long career and won't get anything like he is on at NUFC again. Perfectly entitled to stay put.

[madras]

1 minute ago, jonny1403 said:

 

Great post. It annoys me when our fans have a go at players who aren't willing to move on like Clark in January. Why should they take a pay cut and uproot their family if they don't want to? He's 32, had a long career and won't get anything like he is on at NUFC again. Perfectly entitled to stay put.

Some if it is fans thinking he's probably earned enough to never have to work again and he'd rather not play to earn a few extra thousand a week, a position most of us would give an arm for. I can see both sides.

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

Great post. It annoys me when our fans have a go at players who aren't willing to move on like Clark in January. Why should they take a pay cut and uproot their family if they don't want to? He's 32, had a long career and won't get anything like he is on at NUFC again. Perfectly entitled to stay put.

So they just stay and sponge of the club with no desire to actually play football ?

[gdm]

Looks like price is the problem 

[madras]

Just now, gdm said:

Looks like price is the problem 

Lower the price or restructure it somehow ?

[Bompeter]

Sitting on your arse at the back-end of your career on £45k a week, versus playing every game for £15k a week. Very, very few of us would choose the latter regardless of how comfortable we were financially.

 

And I do think that’s the sort of wage disparity a lot of our shite are looking at right now.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by Bompeter

[WillingtonMag]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

So they just stay and sponge of the club with no desire to actually play football ?

They've been given that contract though haven't they, I don't blame anyone either. Only an idiot would take a pay cut if they didn't need to.

[jonny1403]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

So they just stay and sponge of the club with no desire to actually play football ?

 

How on earth is it sponging off the club? He was given a contract extension by the club in Jan 2021, that's the club's decision. It's not his fault he was left out of the squad. If he was picked to play, he would play.

 

He's had a decade and a half of playing football, I find it funny that everyone assumes all footballers must be desperate to play football above all else, even if it means taking a pay cut and moving him and his family to some shithole in the Championship 

[gbandit]

Eriksen to Man U is frustrating, so many players have bombed there in the last few years. He’s got enough quality to rise above but I still think he would have been far better off at almost any other side in the premier league

[WillingtonMag]

2 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

How on earth is it sponging off the club? He was given a contract extension by the club in Jan 2021, that's the club's decision. It's not his fault he was left out of the squad. If he was picked to play, he would play.

 

He's had a decade and a half of playing football, I find it funny that everyone assumes all footballers must be desperate to play football above all else, even if it means taking a pay cut and moving him and his family to some shithole in the Championship 

Aye they can also get Injured and have their career over off one bad challenge, they have short careers can't blame them for wanting to make as much money as possible. Isn't like many of them will have many transferable skills or qualifications to go into other lines of work.

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

How on earth is it sponging off the club? He was given a contract extension by the club in Jan 2021, that's the club's decision. It's not his fault he was left out of the squad. If he was picked to play, he would play.

 

He's had a decade and a half of playing football, I find it funny that everyone assumes all footballers must be desperate to play football above all else, even if it means taking a pay cut and moving him and his family to some shithole in the Championship 

Guess it says more about the type person/player they are if they would rather not kick a ball for a couple of years or go and play football.

 

We are talking pay cuts but he will still be getting a load of money each week 

[WillingtonMag]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Guess it says more about the type person/player they are if they would rather not kick a ball for a couple of years or go and play football.

 

We are talking pay cuts but he will still be getting a load of money each week 

Everything's relative to the position you're in though, he won't just be thinking about himself either he will have kids to provide for and will likely be out of work mid 30s.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, WillingtonMag said:

Everything's relative to the position you're in though, he won't just be thinking about himself either he will have kids to provide for and will likely be out of work mid 30s.

I’m amazed anyone at all in his position would genuinely not want to play football. He’s a got a few years left surely he would rather spend it playing.

 

Obviously all hypothetical because we don’t know what he is thinking  

[KaKa]

Seen rumours of Noa Lang pop up today now too. Great numbers at Brugge last season.

 

Howe brought Danjuma over from Brugge and so will be familiar with looking at players from that league and team. Emmanuel Dennis also came in from Brugge last season and did well. Prices from there are far more reasonable and so perhaps this one is a fall back if Diaby doesn't work out.

 

Lang seems to be very highly rated and is now even a full international for the Netherlands, some questions over character but they seem to be more immaturity issues that could be managed and ironed out. Botman is his previous team mate at Ajax, and with the Dutch under 21s too, and so maybe they've spoken to him to get some inside info on Lang.

 

He does look like he's got some serious ability, and has just turned 23 this year too. Think he also liked a post of Botman joining us at some point. Think someone posted it on here. Maybe this one has some legs if Leverkusen don't budge on price.

 

 

 

 

[xLiaaamx]

Ah well, least it's the end of the line for Gayle, Clark and Ritchie this year. In 12 months at most time they're gone no matter what. 

[WillingtonMag]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I’m amazed anyone at all in his position would genuinely not want to play football. He’s a got a few years left surely he would rather spend it playing.

 

Obviously all hypothetical because we don’t know what he is thinking  

Im sure he would rather be playing for us or if offered the same deal elsewhere happier playing there also.

[ponsaelius]

1 minute ago, xLiaaamx said:

Ah well, least it's the end of the line for Gayle, Clark and Ritchie this year. In 12 months at most time they're gone no matter what. 

 

Gayle's contract is until 2024 

[Disco]

I've seen Diaby play in person for Leverkusen; mad quick but other than that didn't stand out. Always a worry buying players who are fast from the Bundesliga as they always have space in behind to exploit which makes them look good and isn't the case anywhere near much in the PL. Albeit teams aren't going to be parking the bus against us but then Bailey didn't do much at Villa. Good age profile and everything else though and handily can play both sides but I think the figures are overblown; definitely paying extra as Leverkusen aren't as needy for cash as the proper German clubs.

[jonny1403]

25 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Guess it says more about the type person/player they are if they would rather not kick a ball for a couple of years or go and play football.

 

We are talking pay cuts but he will still be getting a load of money each week 

 

It says nothing about the type of person they are other than that they are sensible and financially responsible. I'd imagine he'd take a 50% pay cut in the Championship. It's such a simplistic argument to say "oh he's rich anyway, he can easily take a cut". Would you take a 50% pay cut in your job?

[madras]

2 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

It says nothing about the type of person they are other than that they are sensible and financially responsible. I'd imagine he'd take a 50% pay cut in the Championship. It's such a simplistic argument to say "oh he's rich anyway, he can easily take a cut". Would you take a 50% pay cut in your job?

Quite possibly if I was financially secure anyway.

[Guest HTT II]

If I’m a professional footballer, I couldn’t think of nothing worse than not playing, I think money has corrupted a lot of players today where they are just happy to sit on the bench for a comfy well paid life. If any of our redundant players had anything about them, they’d move to get game time, even if it comes at a cost to their pay packet. You need a sense of purpose in your life and if you’ve trained all your life to become good enough to play football at a high level or standard, to just give all that up? 

[jonny1403]

Just now, HTT II said:

If I’m a professional footballer, I couldn’t think of nothing worse than not playing, I think money has corrupted a lot of players today where they are just happy to sit on the bench for a comfy well paid life. If any of our redundant players had anything about them, they’d move to get game time, even if it comes at a cost to their pay packet. You need a sense of purpose in your life and if you’ve trained all your life to become good enough to play football at a high level or standard, to just give all that up? 

Such a simplistic argument. It's like any job consideration. What if his wife loves the area or his kids are happy at school/about to take exams and he doesn't fancy moving them halfway across the country? What if he's worried about an injury and only being offered a 1 year deal at Stoke or Wigan? What if he just fancies an easy 1 year training and seeing out his contract, before then considering options next year. 

 

None of us have any ideas into his mindset and it is clearly not the case that the preferred option should always be "play as much football as possible all the time"