MrRaspberryJam Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Suspect it'd take a LOT of money to sign DCL for what would only be a marginal improvement on Wilson (if any improvement at all). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Both 100% fit, Wilson is the better striker for me personally. Everyday of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I’d take DCL if it helped hurry along Everton’s eventual relegation. If they sell both him and Richarlison they’re fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Suspect it'd take a LOT of money to sign DCL for what would only be a marginal improvement on Wilson (if any improvement at all). How much are you classing as a lot? They might be more willing to negotiate because of their FFP troubles. It's touched on in the article that because they bought him so cheap, pretty much whatever they sell him for is profit. Richarlson cost £40m and apparently they owe 10% of the next sale to Watford, so selling him for £40m = £20m FFP profit, selling DCL for the same = £40m FFP profit. The issue obviously is that Richarlson has made it much more clear that he wants to leave, whereas DCL seems happy enough to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, Keegans Export said: How much are you classing as a lot? They might be more willing to negotiate because of their FFP troubles. It's touched on in the article that because they bought him so cheap, pretty much whatever they sell him for is profit. Richarlson cost £40m and apparently they owe 10% of the next sale to Watford, so selling him for £40m = £20m FFP profit, selling DCL for the same = £40m FFP profit. The issue obviously is that Richarlson has made it much more clear that he wants to leave, whereas DCL seems happy enough to stay. I'd be surprised if he was available for below £40m like. But that's just a hunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 30m on DCL is perfectly reasonable, I just don’t want us re-energising Everton’s cash flow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 minute ago, RodneyCisse said: 30m on DCL is perfectly reasonable, I just don’t want us re-energising Everton’s cash flow. I wouldn't worry, they'll waste it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, joeyt said: Not a fan. Why is he leaving Everton? I’m not sure taking one of their cast offs is the way. I’d rather we found our own up and coming superstar, ideally from abroad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On his day he’s a very decent striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Suspect it'd take a LOT of money to sign DCL for what would only be a marginal improvement on Wilson (if any improvement at all). This is it. Folk are saying his injury problems are a blip, fair enough. But in those 4 fit seasons before the last one I don’t remember DCL being prolific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I'd genuinely rather sign Moise Kean off them and let Howe work with him, than bring in DCL for the kind of money being spoken about. Kean is available for around £20 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I'd genuinely rather sign Moise Kean off them and let Howe work with him, than bring in DCL for the kind of money being spoken about. Kean is available for around £20 million. Is he not a bad egg? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Is he not a bad egg? Don't think there's been anything particularly major has there? Some silly stuff during lockdown where he had a party, but think that was it. Was just doing the same as what the lot that put us all in lockdown were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I'm enthused that we're after another striker (hopefully) in addition to Ekitike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Don't think there's been anything particularly major has there? Some silly stuff during lockdown where he had a party, but think that was it. Was just doing the same as what the lot that put us all in lockdown were. For some reason I thought he had unfulfilled potential (so far) down to bad attitude & application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, LV said: This is it. Folk are saying his injury problems are a blip, fair enough. But in those 4 fit seasons before the last one I don’t remember DCL being prolific. 29 in 62 league starts in the previous 2 seasons is pretty prolific given his age and the team he was playing for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Ekitike & DCL improves us drastically said wise, like. Very happy with them if they arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: For some reason I thought he had unfulfilled potential (so far) down to bad attitude & application. Nah, just been managed terribly by Everton and then Juve this season. Had a very good showing at PSG on loan the previous season, and then Juve brought him in and never used him because they went and bought Vlahovic, who's struggled himself. Still so young at just 22. Think he's a really top talent. Edited June 20, 2022 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: For some reason I thought he had unfulfilled potential (so far) down to bad attitude & application. Just now, KaKa said: Nah, just been managed terribly by Everton and then Juve this season. Had a very good showing at PSG on loan the previous season, and then Juve brought him in and never used him because they went and bought Vlahovic, who's struggled himself. Still so young at just 22. Think he's a really top talent. Got dropped by Italy because of off field discipline issues and not turning up for training on time etc. Same problems at Everton. He’s played 42 times for Juve this year and scored 6- hardly ‘never used him’. Juve bought Vlahovic because they couldn’t rely on Kean, either to score the goals, or to rectify his attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Hoping we add at least one this week like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 50 minutes ago, KaKa said: Both 100% fit, Wilson is the better striker for me personally. Everyday of the week. The "100% fit" part isn't irrelevant though, it has to be factored in. It's the main reason we're even considering a replacement for Wilson. Since he broke into the team DCL has played 32, 35, 36, 33 then 17 PL games (153). Wilson's last five seasons - 28, 30, 35, 26, 18 (137). Wilson has missed 35 games since he joined, DCL has missed 21 in the same time. He's also 5 years younger. I guess it breaks down to whether last season was an anomaly for DCL or whether that's just the player he is now. If it's the latter then yeah, aside from being younger you're not gaining a huge amount versus Wilson. But if you get 2019/20 and 2020/21 Calvert-Lewin at 25y/o then £40m or so represents very good value imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Manxst said: Got dropped by Italy because of off field discipline issues and not turning up for training on time etc. Same problems at Everton. He’s played 42 times for Juve this year and scored 6- hardly ‘never used him’. Juve bought Vlahovic because they couldn’t rely on Kean, either to score the goals, or to rectify his attitude. Moise Kean started 14 games while on loan at Juve ... in those games he totalled 6 goals. The rest of the games he was brought off the bench and in a lot of those games for less than 10 mins of play. Vlahovic came in and started 20 games and scored 9 goals. The numbers are comparable. I see he has been disciplined for being late at times. Fair enough. Wouldn't say that necessarily makes him a bad egg, as the other poster was asking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I guess the issue for DCL for me is that at 25, you can't turn back the clock to previous seasons and injuries will start to become more and not less common, as will their cumulative effect. What would worry me slightly is that Everton would seem to be OK to get rid of him. And Everton are rubbish. So, I'm guessing they don't think they can rely on him either. Long and the short of it is this; he seems to me to be a bit of a gamble. Fine, you might gamble on a youth player who might not live up to their promise. But now that we're free from Ashley, why gamble on a first team player that's already supposed to be near their peak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Hes an upgrade on Wood. But we won't be getting rid of him this summer. He's hardly a runner up front. So leaves us with 2 strikers in that mould possibly not starting either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: The "100% fit" part isn't irrelevant though, it has to be factored in. It's the main reason we're even considering a replacement for Wilson. Since he broke into the team DCL has played 32, 35, 36, 33 then 17 PL games (153). Wilson's last five seasons - 28, 30, 35, 26, 18 (137). Wilson has missed 35 games since he joined, DCL has missed 21 in the same time. He's also 5 years younger. I guess it breaks down to whether last season was an anomaly for DCL or whether that's just the player he is now. If it's the latter then yeah, aside from being younger you're not gaining a huge amount versus Wilson. But if you get 2019/20 and 2020/21 Calvert-Lewin at 25y/o then £40m or so represents very good value imo. DCL is decent, but for upwards of £40 million, I'd rather go for one of the slightly younger talents on the continent we've been linked with e.g. Scamacca, Gouiri, Jonathan David etc Think they are more technical, and just have a bit more to their games, and likely won't cost as much. As I even stated earlier, if it's down to DCL at upwards of £40 million or Kean at around £25 million, even with the discipline issues, I'd go with Kean. Think he's got far more upside and is really undervalued right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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