LRD Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Sell-on clause after wanting so much upfront and loan back is ridiculous. We need bodies now. Plus if we loan him back, what if he gets injured? Impossible terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, LRD said: Sell-on clause after wanting so much upfront and loan back is ridiculous. We need bodies now. Plus if we loan him back, what if he gets injured? Impossible terms. Reims and Lille ownership are clearly best mates like outrageous terms (which they are of course free to demand). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, ManDoon said: Like someone else said like I wrestled with the moral aspect of this takeover not for like Chris Wood. Aware he’s better than nothing but still Look at some of the trash Man City signed the first January window after their takeover. In 2022 I would call the Bellamy and De Jong prices an overpay, let alone in 2009. 3 January 2009DF Wayne Bridge Chelsea£10M[25][26] 19 January 2009FW Craig Bellamy West Ham United£14M[27][28] 21 January 2009MF Nigel de Jong Hamburger SV£16M[29][30] 1 February 2009GK Shay Given Newcastle United£5.9M[31][32][33] Even the second season was shoddy and scattergun outside of Tevez and Gareth Barry 1 July 2009MF Gareth Barry Aston Villa£12,000,000[27][28] 1 July 2009FW Roque Santa Cruz Blackburn Rovers£18,000,000[29][30] 1 July 2009GK Stuart Taylor Aston VillaFree[31][32] 13 July 2009FW Carlos Tevez MSI£25,500,000[33][34] 18 July 2009FW Emmanuel Adebayor Arsenal£25,000,000[35][36] 29 July 2009DF Kolo Touré Arsenal£16,000,000[37][38] 24 Aug 2009DF Sylvinho BarcelonaFree[39][40] 25 Aug 2009DF Joleon Lescott Everton£22,000,000[41][42] Edited January 12, 2022 by Pandamninator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pandamninator said: Look at some of the trash Man City signed the first January window after their takeover. In 2022 I would call the Bellamy and De Jong prices an overpay, let alone in 2009. 3 January 2009DF Wayne Bridge Chelsea£10M[25][26] 19 January 2009FW Craig Bellamy West Ham United£14M[27][28] 21 January 2009MF Nigel de Jong Hamburger SV£16M[29][30] 1 February 2009GK Shay Given Newcastle United£5.9M[31][32][33] Even the second season was shoddy and scattergun outside of Tevez and Gareth Barry 1 July 2009MF Gareth Barry Aston Villa£12,000,000[27][28] 1 July 2009FW Roque Santa Cruz Blackburn Rovers£18,000,000[29][30] 1 July 2009GK Stuart Taylor Aston VillaFree[31][32] 13 July 2009FW Carlos Tevez MSI£25,500,000[33][34] 18 July 2009FW Emmanuel Adebayor Arsenal£25,000,000[35][36] 29 July 2009DF Kolo Touré Arsenal£16,000,000[37][38] 24 Aug 2009DF Sylvinho BarcelonaFree[39][40] 25 Aug 2009DF Joleon Lescott Everton£22,000,000[41][42] Looking for the trash and not finding it honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 58 minutes ago, Pandamninator said: Look at some of the trash Man City signed the first January window after their takeover. In 2022 I would call the Bellamy and De Jong prices an overpay, let alone in 2009. 3 January 2009DF Wayne Bridge Chelsea£10M[25][26] 19 January 2009FW Craig Bellamy West Ham United£14M[27][28] 21 January 2009MF Nigel de Jong Hamburger SV£16M[29][30] 1 February 2009GK Shay Given Newcastle United£5.9M[31][32][33] Even the second season was shoddy and scattergun outside of Tevez and Gareth Barry 1 July 2009MF Gareth Barry Aston Villa£12,000,000[27][28] 1 July 2009FW Roque Santa Cruz Blackburn Rovers£18,000,000[29][30] 1 July 2009GK Stuart Taylor Aston VillaFree[31][32] 13 July 2009FW Carlos Tevez MSI£25,500,000[33][34] 18 July 2009FW Emmanuel Adebayor Arsenal£25,000,000[35][36] 29 July 2009DF Kolo Touré Arsenal£16,000,000[37][38] 24 Aug 2009DF Sylvinho BarcelonaFree[39][40] 25 Aug 2009DF Joleon They bought mainly established Premier League players. They were also in a much better league position than we are currently in. Our options would increase hugely if we were 10 points better off. Also it's notable that 10+yrs ago £25 bought Tevez / Adebayor. Adebayor at that point scoring 1 in 2 for Arsenal give or take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Man City were a stable upper mid-table team. We have to get to the same before we can attract better players, hopefully within the next couple of years. Relegation will add a few more years to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Mazzy said: They bought mainly established Premier League players. They were also in a much better league position than we are currently in. Our options would increase hugely if we were 10 points better off. Also it's notable that 10+yrs ago £25 bought Tevez / Adebayor. Adebayor at that point scoring 1 in 2 for Arsenal give or take. Yep it's pretty much all down to league position. Why join now, when you can wait to see if we are relegated or not and then join in the summer. IF we stay up it will me immeasurably easier to get 'marquee' players in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Pandamninator said: Look at some of the trash Man City signed the first January window after their takeover. In 2022 I would call the Bellamy and De Jong prices an overpay, let alone in 2009. 3 January 2009DF Wayne Bridge Chelsea£10M[25][26] 19 January 2009FW Craig Bellamy West Ham United£14M[27][28] 21 January 2009MF Nigel de Jong Hamburger SV£16M[29][30] 1 February 2009GK Shay Given Newcastle United£5.9M[31][32][33] Even the second season was shoddy and scattergun outside of Tevez and Gareth Barry 1 July 2009MF Gareth Barry Aston Villa£12,000,000[27][28] 1 July 2009FW Roque Santa Cruz Blackburn Rovers£18,000,000[29][30] 1 July 2009GK Stuart Taylor Aston VillaFree[31][32] 13 July 2009FW Carlos Tevez MSI£25,500,000[33][34] 18 July 2009FW Emmanuel Adebayor Arsenal£25,000,000[35][36] 29 July 2009DF Kolo Touré Arsenal£16,000,000[37][38] 24 Aug 2009DF Sylvinho BarcelonaFree[39][40] 25 Aug 2009DF Joleon Lescott Everton£22,000,000[41][42] I would take some of these players now ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: I would take some of these players now ? Don’t particularly like the little cunt, but Bellamy would have been perfect for this team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Man City didn't have a clue what they were doing when the took over, the reason they're where they are now isn't just that they threw a load of money at things, they've improved things massively behind the scenes. If you look back some of the people miffed at the transfer market so far were wanting us to get a DoF sorted, with elite staff brought in, even before we had a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Man City didn't have a clue what they were doing when the took over, the reason they're where they are now isn't just that they threw a load of money at things, they've improved things massively behind the scenes. If you look back some of the people miffed at the transfer market so far were wanting us to get a DoF sorted, with elite staff brought in, even before we had a manager. One difference is they didn't have FFP to worry about so blowing £35-40m on Adebayor & Santa Cruz and writing it off didn't impact them over the next few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Man City didn't have a clue what they were doing when the took over, the reason they're where they are now isn't just that they threw a load of money at things, they've improved things massively behind the scenes. If you look back some of the people miffed at the transfer market so far were wanting us to get a DoF sorted, with elite staff brought in, even before we had a manager. They’ve probably spent just as much behind the scenes which has enabled them to be the elite club they now are, the two go hand in hand of course, off-field and getting it right on the pitch which they succeeded in doing and I’m sure we will too one day. Edited January 12, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: One difference is they didn't have FFP to worry about so blowing £35-40m on Adebayor & Santa Cruz and writing it off didn't impact them over the next few years. Aye that’s often overlooked. We can’t quite do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Not saying we'd be blowing money on this kid or Wood either. If we stay up its a hit worth taking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 There's probably a half dozen examples at a smaller scale in Germany or Holland of clubs who are just well ran though. Man City are just an example of a team who did it through spending. Just feels like we should have atleast hunted down a well renowned scouting network or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, LRD said: Man City were a stable upper mid-table team. We have to get to the same before we can attract better players, hopefully within the next couple of years. Relegation will add a few more years to that. I think they were in the relegation zone in January 2009. Edited January 12, 2022 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The season before they had some relative success with their dodgy owner for a year, but previous to that season there was a thread on here titled ‘Citeh Are Knackered’ or words to that effect because they were financially and competitively on their arse bones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: There's probably a half dozen examples at a smaller scale in Germany or Holland of clubs who are just well ran though. Man City are just an example of a team who did it through spending. Just feels like we should have atleast hunted down a well renowned scouting network or something. It’s incredibly lazy to say teams like Chelsea and Man City have bought success. Aye, they’ve spent a lot of money on it but they’ve also massively improved the clubs behind the scenes. In different ways too. Man Utd and Everton are two current examples of how just throwing money at something doesn’t equal success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: There's probably a half dozen examples at a smaller scale in Germany or Holland of clubs who are just well ran though. Man City are just an example of a team who did it through spending. Just feels like we should have atleast hunted down a well renowned scouting network or something. I'm sure we will at some point, but having a takeover go through in the middle of a season probably throws a few spanners in the works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: It’s incredibly lazy to say teams like Chelsea and Man City have bought success. Aye, they’ve spent a lot of money on it but they’ve also massively improved the clubs behind the scenes. In different ways too. Man Utd and Everton are two current examples of how just throwing money at something doesn’t equal success. So it takes both then. Where would Chelasea and Man City be without the ability to spend more than everyone else and a large part of it before FFP (Risk free) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: It’s incredibly lazy to say teams like Chelsea and Man City have bought success. Aye, they’ve spent a lot of money on it but they’ve also massively improved the clubs behind the scenes. In different ways too. Man Utd and Everton are two current examples of how just throwing money at something doesn’t equal success. Pretty sure Chelsea were on the verge of going in to administration before Roman bought them and then spent an amount on players that was unprecedented at the time. Yes they did buy success initially, but success breeds success and now they can survive without a billionaires help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Pretty sure Chelsea were on the verge of going in to administration before Roman bought them and then spent an amount on players that was unprecedented at the time. Yes they did buy success initially, but success breeds success and now they can survive without a billionaires help You what? Chelsea’s latest accounts specifically state that they are “reliant on Fordstam Limited for its continued financial support”. The company is owned by Roman Abramovich, and has indicated it will continue to support the club “for the foreseeable future”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: You what? Chelsea’s latest accounts specifically state that they are “reliant on Fordstam Limited for its continued financial support”. The company is owned by Roman Abramovich, and has indicated it will continue to support the club “for the foreseeable future”. So there are ways an owner can funnel money into a club without drawing attention Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, gjohnson said: So there are ways an owner can funnel money into a club without drawing attention It’s in their official club account statement- hardly not drawing attention. The point is though, that despite their successes (and spending), they still have to be bankrolled by their billionaire owner. They wouldn’t survive, as you stated, without it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Like how the thread jumps from, positive talks, to, bid made, to, fuck all. Media hysteria has everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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