Erikse Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, Nine said: It's a bit contradictive to mention his strengths as a reason to pick him against Luton, right after you pointed out how he was up against his biggest weakness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 28 minutes ago, BUJ said: Howe at the opportunity to make the appropriate selection at half time yesterday. He didn't. It cost us in all likely hood the win. Fair enough but that’s not on Dan Burn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Erikse said: It's a bit contradictive to mention his strengths as a reason to pick him against Luton, right after you pointed out how he was up against his biggest weakness. Howe obviously feels the side functions better with Burn in rather than without, you don’t think he realises that Burn lacks pace? There are more aspects to consider than just Burns pace being exploited, my point is the value Burn adds usually offsets the weaker parts of his game. So it does make sense to pick him. Edited February 4, 2024 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 Ogbene did Burn inside the first couple of minutes. He absolutely rinsed him over 20 yards and started at least 5 yards behind Burn. We did nothing to protect Burn, did nothing at HT to address it and did nothing after their 3rd. Why Burn was where he was for the 4th, I've no idea. Eddie had a howler with Burn yesterday. He could see what was happening, he was chatting with Tindale for long periods from around 20 minutes. He’d seen similar at Villa a few days before and acted as soon as Watkins scored (he could have acted sooner). We have Forest away next, we saw Burn get roasted up here by Elanga (?) a few weeks ago. He can’t possibly pick Burn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Ogbene did Burn inside the first couple of minutes. He absolutely rinsed him over 20 yards and started at least 5 yards behind Burn. We did nothing to protect Burn, did nothing at HT to address it and did nothing after their 3rd. Why Burn was where he was for the 4th, I've no idea. Eddie had a howler with Burn yesterday. He could see what was happening, he was chatting with Tindale for long periods from around 20 minutes. He’d seen similar at Villa a few days before and acted as soon as Watkins scored (he could have acted sooner). We have Forest away next, we saw Burn get roasted up here by Elanga (?) a few weeks ago. He can’t possibly pick Burn. Burn starts Hope not, but we’ll see soon enough. Just read this. Burn definitely starts. Edited February 4, 2024 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 Really depends on the tactics for Forest, tbf. If the plan is to sit deeper and work counters, Burn is fine. If we're going to try and dominate and pen them in, he should be taken out of the firing line for it because they're a big counter threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 With a midfield three of miley, longetaff and Bruno there is a distinct lack of pace and physicality. That exposed Burn as much as anything yesterday, he had few friends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 11 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Burn starts Hope not, but we’ll see soon enough. Just read this. Burn definitely starts. Nice bit of deflection. Not a word about his performance yesterday (unless not included in the quote above). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 If Burn starts against Forest then Howe will deserve proper criticism for it. I love Howe and he’s absolutely the manager to take us forward but Tino is who should be starting as our LB now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 I’ve no issue with Burn and the slating of Burn is fucking stupid. The issue is our manager continues to place him up against extremely rapid right wingers and we don’t have the armor of Willock, Joelinton, Tonali or a rested/rotated Gordon to help him with pacy wingers. If the other team is playing a less direct pacy winger then that is fine. Tino has literally marked top world class wingers out of the game for the most part with very good 1 v 1 defending and has excellent recovery pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 I thought Burn was bought as a center back and he was excellent there. Just because he played well at LB after doesn’t mean he should still play there. In hindsight the Hall signing was a huge mistake, we really need a natural LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 4, 2024 Share Posted February 4, 2024 4 hours ago, Away Toon said: The only real problem with Dan Burn is Eddie Howe. Yeah I think if they knew the Luton winger was like shit of a stick they shouldn’t have played burn up against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 5, 2024 Share Posted February 5, 2024 (edited) On 04/02/2024 at 11:22, Nine said: It would be nice if it was as straightforward as - Burn is slow and Tino isnt so we would perform better overall with Tino starting. But it’s not, the back 3 we shift into when Trippier goes forward and the aerial capability is what Burn does better than Tino would right now. Ironically the biggest issue is not what Burn is or isn’t capable of it’s that the current midfield selection leaves us exposed especially against pace. Burn was a big part of the best defence in the league last season because we were covered by Joe and Willock. It is simply this. With the current lack of any other midfield options and with no pace across the rest of the back 4, he simply shouldn't start ahead of Tino unless we can protect him properly with a Willock or Joelinton type on the left side. What we lose in Burn's height for set pieces we gain in Tino's recovery pace and the increased attacking threat down the left side. Which historically has been known to pin back wingers deeper in their own half and helps take pressure off our defence. Edited February 5, 2024 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5, 2024 Share Posted February 5, 2024 On 04/02/2024 at 15:51, Tsunami said: Ogbene did Burn inside the first couple of minutes. He absolutely rinsed him over 20 yards and started at least 5 yards behind Burn. We did nothing to protect Burn, did nothing at HT to address it and did nothing after their 3rd. Why Burn was where he was for the 4th, I've no idea. Eddie had a howler with Burn yesterday. He could see what was happening, he was chatting with Tindale for long periods from around 20 minutes. He’d seen similar at Villa a few days before and acted as soon as Watkins scored (he could have acted sooner). We have Forest away next, we saw Burn get roasted up here by Elanga (?) a few weeks ago. He can’t possibly pick Burn. This is the thing with Eddie. He acts after the fact. I didn’t watch the Villa game but you said he acted fast - it was still after we conceded a goal. He’s a - the same horses for all courses type manager. And he’s reactive with subs. I think we are close to Burn not being the main LB horse. I would like for Howe to pick players depending on opposition but that’s not his style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted February 5, 2024 Share Posted February 5, 2024 16 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: This is the thing with Eddie. He acts after the fact. I didn’t watch the Villa game but you said he acted fast - it was still after we conceded a goal. He’s a - the same horses for all courses type manager. And he’s reactive with subs. I think we are close to Burn not being the main LB horse. I would like for Howe to pick players depending on opposition but that’s not his style. As opposed to being a clairvoyant manager? is the reason Pep is so much better than everyone else, down to pre match seances like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 5, 2024 Share Posted February 5, 2024 Again, Burn's inclusion whilst Livramento is fit rests soley on the manager for putting him in that position. It's a match-up issue - you don't match-up Steph Curry with Bol Bol; you don't place a linebacker on Tyreek Hill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 5, 2024 Share Posted February 5, 2024 despite having him and and botman in there, the still easily outjumped us twice for their first goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 Who could have foreseen this?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 99.9% of people could see Burn vs Elanga was a fucking awful idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 Burn done for pace and we concede. Shock horror. Forest did the same thing at SJP so it was always going to happen again tonight. He shouldn't have started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 (edited) That goal is as much on the keeper and Miley getting totally bypassed, IMO. They’re there for the taking and we’ve gifted them a route back into it. They look good all of a sudden. But yeah, Elanga has beaten him twice from two attempts. Massive blindspot from Howe to keep playing him. Edited February 10, 2024 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 He’s going to end with a reputation as a massive liability, which will be a shame considering how well he’s done for us previously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kimbo said: He’s going to end with a reputation as a massive liability, which will be a shame considering how well he’s done for us previously. Exactly this and yes he generally has done well but even so though, how is this even a surprise to anyone by now. Lad was our weakest link in attack last year and is our weakest link in defence this year. Seriously fucking infuriating stuff by Eddie. There is a better player on the bench that you spent so much money on man ffs. Edited February 10, 2024 by Amir_9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 Games like these are going to have his confidence shot. Poor from the manager to include him today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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