Overrated players

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

fair enough. Personally I think Cech was a solid keeper. Did well when called upon, won them the Champions League final, was excellent all throughout that campaign. I feel like of all the great PL keepers out there, he probably had to make the least amount of saves to make because of how good the defense was. But when the chips were down like the night in Barcelona, he really showed you what he was made of. 

 

Yeah, I agree he was a class goalkeeper for the most part, just also overrated.

[The Prophet]

I rate Carvalho higher than Terry, but Terry was still very good.

[Astroblack]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

Yeah, I agree he was a class goalkeeper for the most part, just also overrated.

I can see that. Although I do think he’s fairly rated. Whenever there’s a list of the best goalkeepers in PL history, Cech is usually further down the list. He gets forgotten about most of the time. 

[Astroblack]

12 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I rate Carvalho higher than Terry, but Terry was still very good.

I remember watching Wilfred Zaha’s first ever game for Man Utd and he was going one on one with Terry. I was thinking to myself “this is it, the end of John Terry” and Terry easily took the ball off him and Zaha was never seen in a Man Utd shirt again. 
 

Wayne Rooney regularly cites John Terry as the best defender he’s ever played against and many other players do, too. 
 

Feel like in a few years, people are going to start saying Vidic was better than Rio, Matip better than Van Dijk and Otamendi better than Kompany just to be controversial. 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Astroblack

[gjohnson]

20 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I rate Carvalho higher than Terry, but Terry was still very good.

Carvalho was THE master at dark arts. VAR would tear him to shreds with some of the stuff he got away with

[Mahoneys Tache]

Saying Ronaldinho is overrated makes as much sense as tits on a fish. 

[toon25]

Ronaldinho was an absolute magician. Lost for superlatives to describe the complete and utter joy he brought me as a football fan to watch him.

 

 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

34 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I rate Carvalho higher than Terry, but Terry was still very good.

I thought Gallas and Carvalho made Terry look good. Again I’m saying he’s overrated, not a complete plodder. I just personally think a defender like Cannavaro made Terry look ordinary.

 

 

[brummie]

No comment on his value at the top level, but when we signed Terry when we were in the Championship, I thought we were dealing with someone coming for a big last pay day whilst taking the piss.

 

Couldn't have been further from the truth, his attitude was absolutely spot on, he was an absolute winner week in, week out.

 

Watching a mediocre team for so long, you don't realise this. Then when you get one like him, even one at the very end of his career and you see his quality, yes, but also his drive an intense application, you realise you're playing a different sport to the ones these top players play week in, week out.

[Heron]

Hatem Ben Arfa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire in the hole.... #Grenaaade

[STM]

9 minutes ago, brummie said:

No comment on his value at the top level, but when we signed Terry when we were in the Championship, I thought we were dealing with someone coming for a big last pay day whilst taking the piss.

 

Couldn't have been further from the truth, his attitude was absolutely spot on, he was an absolute winner week in, week out.

 

Watching a mediocre team for so long, you don't realise this. Then when you get one like him, even one at the very end of his career and you see his quality, yes, but also his drive an intense application, you realise you're playing a different sport to the ones these top players play week in, week out.

Trippier and Bruno.have had this effect on me.

 

Completely forgot what a footballer looked like.

[STM]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

Hatem Ben Arfa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire in the hole.... #Grenaaade

Aside Newcastle fans, nobody else in this country really mentions him.

 

From our point of view, he represented the opposite of the Ashley/Pardew era; talent, hope, entertainment.

 

From a technical point of view, nobody touched HBA since Beardsley. He was outrageously gifted.

 

Yes, if you want to be pedantic, there's a few reasons why top managers might not have touched him but that doesn't take away from his talent.

 

Until Bruno, noone has excited me like watching Hatem.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, STM said:

Aside Newcastle fans, nobody else in this country really mentions him.

 

From our point of view, he represented the opposite of the Ashley/Pardew era; talent, hope, entertainment.

 

From a technical point of view, nobody touched HBA since Beardsley. He was outrageously gifted.

 

Yes, if you want to be pedantic, there's a few reasons why top managers might not have touched him but that doesn't take away from his talent.

 

Until Bruno, noone has excited me like watching Hatem.

He's overrated largely on here imo. I haven't witnessed it off here. He was outrageously talented but had attitude issues it'd seem off the pitch. I think a good mark of real top class talents is that they almost always end up at top teams. He has, of course, done it in France but no one else has really batted an eye lid. Like the kid, and what he represented at the time but was capable of being even better imo.

 

Same goes for ASM but in a different way for me. 

[STM]

Just now, Heron said:

He's overrated largely on here imo. I haven't witnessed it off here. He was outrageously talented but had attitude issues it'd seem off the pitch. I think a good mark of real top class talents is that they almost always end up at top teams. He has, of course, done it in France but no one else has really batted an eye lid. Like the kid, and what he represented at the time but was capable of being even better imo.

 

Same goes for ASM but in a different way for me. 

Yeah but I'd argue that even on here people begrudgingly understand that he didn't have the correct mentality to do what players like Salah have.

 

The worshipping on here is more to do with the insane talent he possessed at a time of desperation for the club.

[TheBrownBottle]

6 hours ago, Holmesy said:

He's one of the best players of all time. He turned up in the big international tournaments, the Champions League and he royally took the piss domestically. He was unplayable. I know opinions are like arseholes mate, but your arsehole must stink

 

 

 

I didn’t say he was shite, I just don’t think he was the world’s greatest player at that time.  And by turning up, I don’t mean in tournaments - I mean in decisive matches.  Zidane’s greatest moments came in finals.  As I said, I’m expecting to be in a minority of one. 

 

I’ll never understand people chucking out ad hominems because someone has a different view on a footballer.

[Heron]

.... Ructions

[Stal]

John Terry is a bit of a weird one. I have absolutely no memory of him until he seemed to suddenly appear at about age 24 in the Chelsea defence and was immediately lauded as being really great. I had never heard of him, either as an up and coming prospect, regular on the subs bench or having periods of cover for some more established player. I can't even remember a loan report of him out at some local lower league club. To me, it felt like he literally just appeared out of nowhere.

[Pata]

1 hour ago, Stal said:

John Terry is a bit of a weird one. I have absolutely no memory of him until he seemed to suddenly appear at about age 24 in the Chelsea defence and was immediately lauded as being really great. I had never heard of him, either as an up and coming prospect, regular on the subs bench or having periods of cover for some more established player. I can't even remember a loan report of him out at some local lower league club. To me, it felt like he literally just appeared out of nowhere.

 

I'm sorry for targeting you but he had like ~130 PL appearances for Chelsea before turning 24.

[elbee909]

Tony Green.

 

Nah, never saw him play so I'm just being a twat.

[RodneyCisse]

Came in expecting plenty of Mings after last night.

 

Crazy he’ll be on the plane to Qatar in the winter.

[Stal]

9 hours ago, Pata said:

 

I'm sorry for targeting you but he had like ~130 PL appearances for Chelsea before turning 24.

 

? Don't worry about that, I'm always happy to learn.

 

 

[Froggy]

Terry is the best defender in PL history for me like. No pace but he was so good at reading the game he didn't need it.

[The College Dropout]

John Terry was behind Desailly too long as well.

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

Terry is the best defender in PL history for me like. No pace but he was so good at reading the game he didn't need it.

 

What is this alternate universe where Van Dijk is not lauded as the best central defender not just in PL history, but the history of world football! How dare you even suggest anyone is better than him!

 

I quite agree though. Terry was fantastic, despite being a racist pig. Him and Carvalho being central to a defence that only conceded 15 (I think) over 38 games is crazy.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Terry is the best defender in PL history for me like. No pace but he was so good at reading the game he didn't need it.

Always played in medium to low block teams that protected him. Always had a partner alongside him that greatly benefitted his style of play.

 

But he was a top, top player and under-rated by fans on the ball.

 

I think Rio & Sol could play for Guardiola and Klopp. So I have them above Terry.

 

Sol Campbell was slightly under-rated too. He could really play on the ball too. Was a leader on the pitch, Massive weirdo though.