Gawalls Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 This whole he has to be held a little responsible because he was part of the team that went down - I’m assuming people who are saying that have no time for the likes of joelington then because that’s where we were heading when Howe came in. There can be loads of things causing a team to go down and saying “don’t but player a because they went down” a massively simplifying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 we are a champions league team now. we need top quality players in the squad and on the bench, not even to go straight into our first 11. whats the point going for average. if we get maddison and a top class midfielder for around 100m we're laughing. we really struggled most when our midfielders were injured. we need a CB too. i'm sure we could find the money for one if we had too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Perhaps the idea is to expand our formation options: you’ve constantly got to evolve (as Howe has said). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Perhaps the idea is to expand our formation options: you’ve constantly got to evolve (as Howe has said). We can do that with someone better and possibly cheaper though if smart about it? 41 minutes ago, Gawalls said: This whole he has to be held a little responsible because he was part of the team that went down - I’m assuming people who are saying that have no time for the likes of joelington then because that’s where we were heading when Howe came in. There can be loads of things causing a team to go down and saying “don’t but player a because they went down” a massively simplifying it. Never said this at all. Not sure anyone has. It’s clearly not that simple and I’ve tried to nuance where I can without turning into war & peace. Think you’ve assumed a few things ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, LFEE said: We can do that with someone better and possibly cheaper though if smart about it? Never said this at all. Not sure anyone has. It’s clearly not that simple and I’ve tried to nuance where I can without turning into war & peace. Think you’ve assumed a few things ? Very possibly, I don’t follow football outside of NUFC or Barca in enough detail to know though. When I’ve watched Maddison I’ve seen a special talent, but have no feel for what he’s like defensively / in particular systems. I would say that any player we are seriously in for will have been subject to a very thorough character and attitude analysis, so if he passes that then good to go. re: money I don’t think any transfer fees reported to us are real, and I don’t think any reports of our budget are either. Very much a situation of just enjoy the summer and see where we are come august. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Very possibly, I don’t follow football outside of NUFC or Barca in enough detail to know though. When I’ve watched Maddison I’ve seen a special talent, but have no feel for what he’s like defensively / in particular systems. I would say that any player we are seriously in for will have been subject to a very thorough character and attitude analysis, so if he passes that then good to go. re: money I don’t think any transfer fees reported to us are real, and I don’t think any reports of our budget are either. Very much a situation of just enjoy the summer and see where we are come august. Interesting you mention character because years ago when he was at Norwich (I think) I wouldn’t have touched him with a barge pole and come across as a Beckham wannabe. Since lockdown etc I have to say he’s come across very honest and real in his interviews etc and has won me over on that front. Definitely seems to be maturing and a good egg. Still too much of a peacock on the pitch for me still ? I agree transfer fees just seem a convenient money launder of sorts these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Whitley mag said: Unfortunately it’ll just be like the Chinese league and players taking a last pension fund, the big clubs will be rubbing their hands at the chance to get rid of big earners near the end of their contract. Not sure like - this feels different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 There's an argument to be made that the outrageous sums thrown around in transfer fees (essentially the cost of breaking an existing contract) could be invested in scouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 This is different to China. China had foreign player caps. Saudi have some level of proven pedigree in sports. Not sure what it will end up like but it’s not the same as the Chinese thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, LFEE said: Interesting you mention character because years ago when he was at Norwich (I think) I wouldn’t have touched him with a barge pole and come across as a Beckham wannabe. Since lockdown etc I have to say he’s come across very honest and real in his interviews etc and has won me over on that front. Definitely seems to be maturing and a good egg. Still too much of a peacock on the pitch for me still ? I agree transfer fees just seem a convenient money launder of sorts these days. This just tells me that you don’t know ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: This just tells me that you don’t know ball. Hate this saying. None of us do. We just like to think we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, The College Dropout said: This just tells me that you don’t know ball. I wouldn't be so disrespectful to LFEE mate. Maddison has always looked good enough for the league, but I don't think it's unfair to question his credentials as a top four player. He was basically given the keys of the Leicester City attack. His goal involvement numbers are exactly what I'd expect for a player we're looking at to step in and help us make last season the rule rather than the exception. The questions that need to be asked are; can be that guy when we play a team like Leeds at home that want to frustrate the shit out of us? Is he able to step up to the Champions League level? Is he able and willing to play the 8 role like we currently have been doing so. We can't pay 40m for a 10 to use in certain occasions. Edited June 19, 2023 by Viana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 7 hours ago, The College Dropout said: This is different to China. China had foreign player caps. Saudi have some level of proven pedigree in sports. Not sure what it will end up like but it’s not the same as the Chinese thing. Saudi has a foreign player cap too (7 per team). This is to increase to 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Surely we see movement this week? Once the England shite has finished. Leicester will want it sorted too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Max Cherry said: Surely we see movement this week? Once the England shite has finished. Leicester will want it sorted too. Think it depends on their asking price. If they're still asking for a fee no one will pay (50m+) then I can see it dragging on. The further into the window we get the more twitchy they become/the more likely the fee is to drop to something we deem acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, sushimonster85 said: Think it depends on their asking price. If they're still asking for a fee no one will pay (50m+) then I can see it dragging on. The further into the window we get the more twitchy they become/the more likely the fee is to drop to something we deem acceptable. Agreed but can see us just walking away if it drags on too much, I'd imagine Howe wants new signings by the time we go to America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, sushimonster85 said: Think it depends on their asking price. If they're still asking for a fee no one will pay (50m+) then I can see it dragging on. The further into the window we get the more twitchy they become/the more likely the fee is to drop to something we deem acceptable. Yeah, I think we’ve shown thus far (January windows aside) that we’ll wait until the deal suits us rather than pay the premium to get things done quicker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Not sure how reliable Wilson is like. If this is the case though then fair enough, hope he flops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Wilson is bottom tier reliability, but it still wouldn't be surprising if that was the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 He wants to come to us, but this is a way to get maximum wage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 If he prefers Spurs he's thick in the head like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 This has always been the insider line, right? That ultimately Maddison prefers the idea of moving to London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 No interest in any player that doesn’t want to be here mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonFC Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 He wont be playing Champions League football for a long time if thats the case... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Who really cares anyway, it’s already a boring saga and the window hasn’t been open a week. Edited June 19, 2023 by SUPERTOON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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