Shearergol Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Why ? I think he's found his niche role, plus I hate the state of his moaning whinging face every time he gets tackled. Not because he's black though #TCD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: I just have my own opinions. Which I support with logic. Someone said I don't "think". If anything it can be argued that I overthink. I take the information that we know, the strong rumours and try to fit it into a coherant strategy. I don't get butthurt over small examples. I could have used Wood instead. Wood and Burn are the same type of signing. Shock horror I know. Burn is a good squad player, and will be over the next few years. Wood isn't. Not that similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: I was just replying to this. --- Therefore getting an affordable improvement, like Burn, to take the role for a year before stepping aside isn't so crazy. --- I don't think the wing equivalent of Dann would be significantly better or definitely not the difference between 9th & 7th. Almiron and Fraser are probably already that equivalent. Yeah well we're not looking to replace the wing equivalent of lark so the quality would have to be better than Burn. It's not a question of quality though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Must have missed Optimistic Nut posting this hot take: "From the information available... we are monitoring the market e.g. no formal bids have been made. It is worrying and sub-optimal. It looks like we will do business very late and look to see what's available rather than identifying particular players which iss not the best approach." Wood and Burn are also not the same kind of signing. Wood was £10-15m more and nobody in their right mind thought it was a good deal at the time. We were just absolutely desperate for a striker and he was available straight away, with PL experience, due to his release clause. Most people could see the value in both Burn and Targett. Great signings for a great price. If we settle for similar on the 31st and upgrade them in 6-12 months time I'd pull my helmet off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: Burn is a good squad player, and will be over the next few years. Wood isn't. Not that similar. This is what i'm talking about. I'm talking strategy - a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term or overall aim. Wood was brought in to help get us safe (he did) and provide competition and solid back-up for the next 2 years (he won't and this is a problem). We don't anticipate to recoup all of the money (if any) on the transfer because of age, contract length and initial fee. Burn was brought in to help get us safe (he did) and provide competition and solid back-up for the next 2 years (he will). We don't anticipate to recoup all of the money (if any) on the transfer because of age, contract length and initial fee. That was the strategy for a lot of signings in January. That's not the strategy going forward. Anyways - need to finish some work. Cheers lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Must have missed Optimistic Nut posting this hot take: "From the information available... we are monitoring the market e.g. no formal bids have been made. It is worrying and sub-optimal. It looks like we will do business very late and look to see what's available rather than identifying particular players which iss not the best approach." Wood and Burn are also not the same kind of signing. Wood was £10-15m more and nobody in their right mind thought it was a good deal at the time. We were just absolutely desperate for a striker and he was available straight away, with PL experience, due to his release clause. Most people could see the value in both Burn and Targett. Great signings for a great price. If we settle for similar on the 31st and upgrade them in 6-12 months time I'd pull my helmet off. Based on the club's activity as well as comments from Mr Howe, we are selecting players from a "small pool" that we'll have scouted and vetted over a decent period of time. That's far from looking to see what's available and is very much identifying players that will work within our long term strategy. Edited August 12, 2022 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Also not wanting to overpay is different to being hamstrung by FFP, the former is naturally linked to the latter however. You (TCD) are completely right that a Dan Burn is bad from a FFP POV, but that should also tell you that trying to calculate FFP in the way we're seeing journalists do it is completely stupid. The important thing that we're seemingly doing is setting up a proper transfer structure for upgrading our squad over the coming seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I just have my own opinions. Which I support with logic. Someone said I don't "think". If anything it can be argued that I overthink. I take the information that we know, the strong rumours and try to fit it into a coherant strategy. I don't get butthurt over small examples. I could have used Wood instead. Wood and Burn are the same type of signing. Shock horror I know. Your logic was that £13m was a waste of money for Burn, but I already contended that we probably more than made up that money just by finishing 11th in the table. You can't seriously argue that we would have finished that high if we had Clark or Lascelles playing instead. A lot of wins by one goal got us some crucial three-pointers and our defence played a massive part in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, TRon said: Your logic was that £13m was a waste of money for Burn, but I already contended that we probably more than made up that money just by finishing 11th in the table. You can't seriously argue that we would have finished that high if we had Clark or Lascelles playing instead. A lot of wins by one goal got us some crucial three-pointers and our defence played a massive part in that. Never said it's a waste of money. We didn't get our top target in January but we needed a short-term improvement in that position and we got it. And stayed up. £50m on central defenders and only 1 is likely to start isn't great from FFP perspective though. 1 of them having low resale value and not having European level ability isn't great for FFP either. Clearly FFP is v. important to upper management. Going forward... blah blah.. Swap Burn out for Wood if it makes you feel better.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Never said it's a waste of money. We didn't get our top target in January but we needed a short-term improvement in that position and we got it. And stayed up. £50m on central defenders and only 1 is likely to start isn't great from FFP perspective though. 1 of them having low resale value and not having European level ability isn't great for FFP either. Clearly FFP is v. important to upper management. Going forward... blah blah.. Swap Burn out for Wood if it makes you feel better.... How good would relegation have looked for FFP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 There's a private aeroplane just left Newcastle for Lyon. Yeah, I'm not sure what I'm referring either! ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 We can't be interested in Paqueta surely, epic fucking dithering if we are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I think it's pointless using examples from January and trying to make out we are using that template now. We are actually doing the opposite if anything and trying to upgrade in quality at the expense of making easy signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, Holloway said: We can't be interested in Paqueta surely, epic fucking dithering if we are Not necessarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vinny Green Balls Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: I just have my own opinions. Which I support with logic. Someone said I don't "think". If anything it can be argued that I overthink. I take the information that we know, the strong rumours and try to fit it into a coherant strategy. I don't get butthurt over small examples. I could have used Wood instead. Wood and Burn are the same type of signing. Shock horror I know. Logic…that’s a very unorthodox use of the word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Not necessarily. well no, intuitively. I am aware of the scraps we're feeding off for leads, but if we do have serious designs on Paqueta it's being kept mighty quiet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: £50m on central defenders and only 1 is likely to start isn't great from FFP perspective though. 1 of them having low resale value and not having European level ability isn't great for FFP either. Resale value does not apply to a £13 million signing that signed at 29 years old on a two and a half year deal. This is not a significant outlay for such a player, especially one who is a high level backup that can cover more than one position. It's a good value signing. Had we spent £30 million on him and handed him a 5 year contract then it would be considered a significant outlay for a player that isn't going to be a first team player going forward, and who would be difficult to shift long after he is deemed useful to the team. You're over thinking resale value. It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be. Dan Burn is ultimately going to transition to being a backup for Botman going forward. He is absolutely European level ability as a back up central defender. He's better than backups sitting on Tottenham, Arsenal, Man Utd and West Ham benches right now, and they're all in Europe this season. Edited August 12, 2022 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Burn was a slam dunk of a signing and I’d suck your hands off for an equivalent quality signing of the same age & in the same price bracket who plays upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, BoSelecta said: Burn was a slam dunk of a signing and I’d suck your hands off for an equivalent quality signing of the same age & in the same price bracket who plays upfront. Who's also a Geordie that works his ass off for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, KaKa said: Dan Burn is ultimately going to transition to being a backup for Botman going forward. He is absolutely European level ability as a back up central defender. He's better than backups sitting on Tottenham, Arsenal, Man Utd and West Ham benches right now, and they're all in Europe this season This is exactly it. Our entire squad needed a revamp, not just CL-level starters. Burn will go from 1st/2nd choice CB (last season) to 2nd/3rd choice (this season) and quite possibly 4th choice at some point in the future. We obviously want to sign those top-quality players but there is still value in players like Burn & Targett who are relatively inexpensive and can transition from "do a job" 7th/8th level (ie. where we are aiming for now) to backups at some point in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: Flew in from his holidays in Lyon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Obscure signing, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 This summer we've not been seriously linked with any outfield player over 25 for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: This summer we've not been seriously linked with any outfield player over 25 for a reason. Except for Eriksen and Werner off the top of my head who were both linked pretty regularly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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