Ikon Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I have something in my eye. You must be extremely agile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I didn't see Schmeichel at his best but I'm not sure how De Gea can be absolutely nowhere near another keeper in terms of quality given he very rarely makes errors and consistently makes unbelievable saves There's your answer. I saw Schmiechel at his best. De Gea's probably a better shot stopper, but in terms of everything else Schmiechel was definitely better and for longer. No reason De Gea can't get there eventually though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Surprised to not hear Oliver Kahn's name in this goalkeeper discussion. He was outstanding, better than some of the names mentioned - as much as I rate De Gea and the likes. I have to admit, I never understood the whole deal with people thinking Kahn was a great 'keeper. For me there was a massive lack of world class 'keepers for a couple of years between Schmiechel leaving Man United and Buffon upping his game/Cech coming on the scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 People always forget about Casillas. Was a good article the other day on F365 about players being remembered a lot more or less fondly based on how they end their career even if overall they had similar quality at their best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 http://www.football365.com/news/do-not-forget-that-joe-hart-was-bloody-brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I was gonna mention Casillas as part of the Buffon taking it up a level around 2003ish, but Casillas might have been mint before then and I just can't remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Casillas was probably at his best when Madrid were shite ironically, always remember this one game against Deportivo I think when he literally made like 20 saves. Once they actually got competent with Pellegrini and later on Mourinho he didn't seem as good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Been looking through some compilations of best saves because of this conversation. Coupet has one which is worth a watch for Lyon vs Barca. About to get lobbed, running towards his own goal, heads it off the crossbar, the ball rebounds to Rivaldo while Coupet is on the ground and gets up to make an unbelievable save Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Casillas was imperious during Spain’s dominant spell. I don’t think he made a big bollock in any of those competitions. Saved penalties. Dealt with one vs ones. Top notch from crosses. Around 2012/13 he began to lose it. Ended as a liability. That article is interesting. I do wonder if Hart was ever genuinely very good. Every England tournament he let himself down and was a key reason in England struggling to even make the QF’s. Torres and Casillas relied on physical abilities. When those went, so did the confidence. Casillas was a high risk goalie, coming out for crosses a lot. When the reflexes declined he lost his assuredness in other area. Rooney a physical decline. Then you have your Ramos and Ronaldos that keep going. Ramos has been around so long he was Zidane’s team mate for a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Have to add my voice to the Schmeichel cause. As a teenager playing pretend keeper, he was the one (and only, except Aussie Mark Bosnich ) Someone called him a colossus, and that's what he was. Imposing, vigilant, dominant. And I haven't seen anything since that compares to the complete assurance he offered at the back since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Have to add my voice to the Schmeichel cause. As a teenager playing pretend keeper, he was the one (and only, except Aussie Mark Bosnich ) Someone called him a colossus, and that's what he was. Imposing, vigilant, dominant. And I haven't seen anything since that compares to the complete assurance he offered at the back since. kahn must have been close surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 We didn't get much Munich in Australia back n the day, but in the CL final we all camped around, only one keeper looked happy at the end of that match! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 There ws not one area of Schmeichel’s game that was even remotely weak, he was a colossus in goal and probably individually won Man Utd the title over us that year because had we beaten them at SJP where he was immense, it was game over. De Gea is a wonderful ‘keeper, their only world-class player IMO, but he would come a huge second to the Dane in any list. I remember being on holiday in Denmark with my family way back when and watching Brondby on TV. My Dad used to be a keeper, a really good one. We had no idea who the keeper was, but we were both "Fuck me, who's this guy?" He was clearly so much better than everybody else, just on a different planet. I would certainly take him right now over every other keeper available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Have to add my voice to the Schmeichel cause. As a teenager playing pretend keeper, he was the one (and only, except Aussie Mark Bosnich ) Someone called him a colossus, and that's what he was. Imposing, vigilant, dominant. And I haven't seen anything since that compares to the complete assurance he offered at the back since. kahn must have been close surely? The thing with Kahn he was always liable to make a rik in the way someone like Shmeichel never would. Still a great ‘keeper though. Thinking about it the Dane is probably the best ever ‘keeper in my lifetime of watching the game. Buffon a very close second mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Buffon is miles ahead of any of the others for me. I fucking love it when he makes a save and his imediate reaction is to spring to his feet and berate the fuck out of his deffence. If he's saved it it means someone else has made a mistake and he will abvsolutely make sure they know never to do that again. I think that's the key to Juve's tight defensive reccord to be honest. I'd probably play as well as Barzagli or Cheilini if I knew there was a giant Italian bastard behind me ready to rip my head off if I didn't clear every ball that came my way. Also, Buffon never let Albert chip him from 30 odd yards out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Buffon is miles ahead of any of the others for me. I fucking love it when he makes a save and his imediate reaction is to spring to his feet and berate the fuck out of his deffence. If he's saved it it means someone else has made a mistake and he will abvsolutely make sure they know never to do that again. I think that's the key to Juve's tight defensive reccord to be honest. I'd probably play as well as Barzagli or Cheilini if I knew there was a giant Italian bastard behind me ready to rip my head off if I didn't clear every ball that came my way. Also, Buffon never let Albert chip him from 30 odd yards out De Gea would have saved at least three of the goals we scored in that game IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I hate it when keepers berate their defence, like they should never have to face a shot ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Surprised to not hear Oliver Kahn's name in this goalkeeper discussion. He was outstanding, better than some of the names mentioned - as much as I rate De Gea and the likes. I have to admit, I never understood the whole deal with people thinking Kahn was a great 'keeper. For me there was a massive lack of world class 'keepers for a couple of years between Schmiechel leaving Man United and Buffon upping his game/Cech coming on the scene. I feel like he faded off quality wise towards the end of his playing career, but in his prime he was completely dominant. Incredible reflexes for such a big man, shot stopping second to none and the added bonus of being a wicked penalty stopper. Better than Casillas & Cech for me, but it's personal opinion/exposure really. I was pretty passionate about becoming a goalkeeper from like 2002-2006 and Kahn was the best in the world around that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Before Buffon, I have memories of Toldo being an absolute giant as well; filling up every cubic inch of the goal. Reminded of him when I see Courtois on his good days just looming between the sticks. Feels like nothing will ever get past him. Kahn was incredible though. Didn't hurt that he looked like an absolute axe murderer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Have to add my voice to the Schmeichel cause. As a teenager playing pretend keeper, he was the one (and only, except Aussie Mark Bosnich ) Someone called him a colossus, and that's what he was. Imposing, vigilant, dominant. And I haven't seen anything since that compares to the complete assurance he offered at the back since. kahn must have been close surely? Kahn wasn't as good as Neuer like. Used to love a save for the cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I reckon Kahn was every bit as good and as important to Bayern as Neuer is/was like. Neuer is of the new age, becoming famous for his sweeper instincts, distribution and foot work as much as his goalkeeping. Kahn was a brut, I agree he used to palm away many shots that maybe the likes of De Gea would be catching these days, but he kept the ball out of the net tremendously effectively and had goalkeeping attributes & presence that were and still are second to none imo. Was brilliant to watch too which has to count for something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I don't think Neuer is as great a shot-stopper as Kahn or a number of top keepers imo. But he's revolutionised the position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Been watching a lot of stuff and reading up a lot on Brian Clough and that era recently, his teams, his relationships with players, Peter Taylor, Don Revie etc. He called Murdoch out in the late 80s/early 90s as an odious man IIRC He was some manager, NUFC were after him during the 80s but the board of directors bottled it as did the FA RE the England job. He was also keen to manage the mackems. Had he went to either club, I think our fortunes would have been totally different. It’s scary that upto ‘74 we were more successful than Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Don Revie was some manager as well, the first to create dossiers on rival teams and individuals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/44196485 Chelsea midfielder 'erases' Antonio Conte with cup emojis Has Chelsea midfielder Willian just given the game away as to how he really feels about his boss Antonio Conte? The Brazilian shared pictures of the Blues' FA Cup victory on Instagram, but seems to have completely obscured Conte with cup emojis. There are already rumours of a rift between the player and his Italian manager - and Conte's future at the club remains unclear. Willian came off the bench in the 91st minute of Saturday's FA Cup final against Manchester United at Wembley, which the Blues won 1-0. The 29-year-old made 36 Premier League appearances this season, 16 as a substitute. He has since deleted the post, but not before it was screengrabbed and shared on social media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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