KaKa Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 18 hours ago, The Prophet said: The only concerns there is Joelinton. He hasn't been convincing as a six when played there. This isn't true at all man. I don't understand how you could even say this if you watched the games. He's been great in that position as well. Just go and read the match threads when he has played there. He broke up play as he usually does, won most of his aerial duels and constantly held off players and turned away from them in deep positions to then pass the ball forward. The real issue with him dropping deeper though, is that it has made our press a lot less effective higher up the pitch because no one else could do as good a job as he does pressing from either wide left or the number 8 position and so teams were able to get at us more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 hours ago, KaKa said: This isn't true at all man. I don't understand how you could even say this if you watched the games. He's been great in that position as well. Just go and read the match threads when he has played there. He broke up play as he usually does, won most of his aerial duels and constantly held off players and turned away from them in deep positions to then pass the ball forward. The real issue with him dropping deeper though, is that it has made our press a lot less effective higher up the pitch because no one else could do as good a job as he does pressing from either wide left or the number 8 position and so teams were able to get at us more. This is true. Against West Ham and Bournemouth our midfield lacked balance. Bruno being suspended was the biggest factor, but moving Joelinton to a number six role at various times didn't help. His biggest assets are being able win and retain possession, then break quickly up field. He's not the greatest with the ball at his feet, so when you restrict him to a number six role your taking away his best assets and exposing one of his worst. Playing him in a double pivot would be fascinating. He wouldn't be holding on his own. You'd have Bruno in there with him, allowing one to sit while the other advances. On the other hand we don't really have a number ten, so I'm not sure how the balance would look and we might end up looking a bit light in the middle. I'm sure it could be coached and I'm all for tweaking the system, but I don't think moving our better players into positions they haven't played all that much is the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 02/03/2023 at 09:21, The Prophet said: Playing him in a double pivot would be fascinating. He wouldn't be holding on his own. You'd have Bruno in there with him, allowing one to sit while the other advances. On the other hand we don't really have a number ten, so I'm not sure how the balance would look and we might end up looking a bit light in the middle. Pope Trippier Schar Botman Targett J7 Bruno Gordon Isak ASM WIlson With that you've got Gordon and Isak who can play midfield if needed, or you could play Isak up top with Miggy/Gordon wide or as a 10. Even though our squad is still threadbare its starting to look like we've actually got some options up front, just a shame no one can stick in the net at the moment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 01/03/2023 at 10:30, Yorkie said: The more I think about it, the more I think it might be worth persisting with Wilson just for now - but specifically because he and Isak haven't started together yet. Surely, if they're both fully fit (or as fit as they are ever likely to be, in Wilson's case), we should give them a fair crack as a partnership? Besides, Isak has been most effective when played deeper, debut aside. Pope Trippier Schar Botman Targett Bruno Joelinton Gordon Isak Maxi Wilson Surely to God there's goals in that front four? I mean that whole team on paper looks really, really good. I think getting Wilson and Isak on the pitch will be at the expense of Saint-Maximin. That line up doesn’t offer much protection so I’d rather have the Willock/Joelinton interchange on the left side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Adam said: Pope Trippier Schar Botman Targett J7 Bruno Gordon Isak ASM WIlson With that you've got Gordon and Isak who can play midfield if needed, or you could play Isak up top with Miggy/Gordon wide or as a 10. Even though our squad is still threadbare its starting to look like we've actually got some options up front, just a shame no one can stick in the net at the moment! I want to see this although I expect Almiron to start. But I reckon Howe goes tried and trusted and not working 4-3-3 against City and we lose 3-0 anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sima said: I think getting Wilson and Isak on the pitch will be at the expense of Saint-Maximin. That line up doesn’t offer much protection so I’d rather have the Willock/Joelinton interchange on the left side. Yeah. Tend to agree. If we are going to tweak it slightly and go with more of a 4-2-3-1, then I think Howe would look to play Willock and Joelinton in the same team. Especially against a team like City. It'll be 4-3-3 and as long as we make some changes to the faltering starting XI. Then I'm fine with that. Edited March 3, 2023 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: I want to see this although I expect Almiron to start. But I reckon Howe goes tried and trusted and not working 4-3-3 against City and we lose 3-0 anyway. Tbf I wouldn't mind. ASM is more effective, but Willocks running might be effective on the break. Either way we've got more options if we go away from 4-3-3 J7 Bruno Gordon Isak Willock Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I'd be suprised if Almiron didn't start and Howe started with both Wilson and Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 03/03/2023 at 12:04, The College Dropout said: I want to see this although I expect Almiron to start. But I reckon Howe goes tried and trusted and not working 4-3-3 against City and we lose 3-0 anyway. On 03/03/2023 at 13:48, The College Dropout said: I'd be suprised if Almiron didn't start and Howe started with both Wilson and Isak. I was almost spot on. We need to shake things up and start Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Has to start. Even in the odd 20-minutes he's being given he shines through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Should be starting every game. Is a far better all round footballer than Wilson. Be getting canny annoyed if he doesn't start next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Criminal if he doesn't start next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 He needs a long run of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Nothing to lose in just playing him every game now. Might not click immediately but it will at some point. I do think he will rely more on us controlling the ball mind, although TBF he also contributes to that himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) Just this change alone I think would bring some verve. Know mythology has it different, but lot of Tino 96 vibes about him. Seems fresher, brighter, to have ideas and makes things happen in team generally flattening performance wise. Also probably quite difficult to read as a defence. I'd be flat as f*ck if he doesn't start from now, I'll admit. Edited March 4, 2023 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Nothing to lose in just playing him every game now. Might not click immediately but it will at some point. I do think he will rely more on us controlling the ball mind, although TBF he also contributes to that himself. Aye he needs service either through balls or to his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Excellent movement at pace, needs the run of games now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Not looking forward to being miserable in the pub pre Wolves if he doesn't start. Please, Eddie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Agreed - he must start fire a decent run of games now, give the lad a proper chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 We need him to kick on and start scoring goals. Best chance to do that is in the first haf, at home. Let’s go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) He is lightning quick but doesnt seem to hold the ball up much so need to look at using his best asset ....speed ...with passes for him to run on to Edited March 6, 2023 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 All we need is Bruno and him linking together for a couple of games, they’re made for each other. Will score tons with that service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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