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Quick reflection after the weekend - feels like the PL is losing its lustre. Whether it’s the set piece noncery or the sterilisation and Yankeefication of stadiums clogged with day tripper tourists in the stands, there’s just something amiss.

 

Maybe it’s off the back of 3 0-0s and 12 goals in 9 games but Dick Masters’ product seem a bit wank this year.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Sometimes you just have to sit back and think, hei, what a weekend of Premier League football we've just all experienced together there.

 

Agreed. 

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5 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Quick reflection after the weekend - feels like the PL is losing its lustre. Whether it’s the set piece noncery or the sterilisation and Yankeefication of stadiums clogged with day tripper tourists in the stands, there’s just something amiss.

 

Maybe it’s off the back of 3 0-0s and 12 goals in 9 games but Dick Masters’ product seem a bit wank this year.

 

 

 

 

The way how it's covered is the absolute pits these days too. Gone are the days of subject matter experts objectively analysing the game, they made way for partisan gibbons howling at the moon with a 'hot take' about a cartel club in the hopes of 'blowing up on the socials'

 

Admittedly I don’t purposely consume it anymore, I'll check the scores on BBC and follow the football news on here, that about it

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53 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Quick reflection after the weekend - feels like the PL is losing its lustre. Whether it’s the set piece noncery or the sterilisation and Yankeefication of stadiums clogged with day tripper tourists in the stands, there’s just something amiss.

 

Maybe it’s off the back of 3 0-0s and 12 goals in 9 games but Dick Masters’ product seem a bit wank this year.

 

 

 

Totally agree. Prem is as boring as it's ever been. Down to a lot of factors like the set piece obsession, players having to fit into systems, VAR, ref's trying to be centre stage constantly. It's a fucking dull "product", really not sure how we get back to the exciting days. I guess it'll come back around as things in football generally do (like the long throw for example, another gem that's resurfaced this season).

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37 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

You guys are way too obsessed with us and vastly over estimate our influence on the game. :lol: 

Respectfully disagree Cuba - 11/20 clubs have US owners. Pricing, food and drinks, corporate communications, merchandising all smack of US capitalist influence.


Whether directly or indirectly, it’s been a pernicious influence on the game we love. We’re not fans anymore, we’re customers. The “legacy fans” shit came straight from the JP Morgan ESL playbook.

 

Coming someone who’s experienced both the U.K. and US in Rooney:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-americanisation-football-worry-36771582

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3 hours ago, KaKa said:

Liverpool have to miss out on Champions League football man. Would be so impossibly funny.

be even better is we nick the spot :tobey: (yes I know I said the league was done)

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1 hour ago, Nucasol said:

Respectfully disagree Cuba - 11/20 clubs have US owners. Pricing, food and drinks, corporate communications, merchandising all smack of US capitalist influence.


Whether directly or indirectly, it’s been a pernicious influence on the game we love. We’re not fans anymore, we’re customers. The “legacy fans” shit came straight from the JP Morgan ESL playbook.

 

Coming someone who’s experienced both the U.K. and US in Rooney:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-americanisation-football-worry-36771582

I’d also add that Man Utd, Liverpool, and Arsenal are who got us on this road as well, and that is before the influx of the Americans.

They commercialised themselves, Man Utd even did it back in the 50’s, then came back in the 90’s to do so.

Liverpool were globalising themselves on the back of their 80’s success, and Arsenal on the back of what Wenger brought.

They all went out courting customers from other countries, mostly from America. Man Utd were probably the biggest commercial success in football in the 90’s and early 2000’s, even ahead of Real Madrid.

Man Utd in particular would buy players from other countries just to maximise shirt sales. Liverpool had club stores open in Belfast and Dublin. Arsenal positioned themselves as the Southern alternative.

All of them were the ones who wanted the Premier League break away in the first place, and only involved the likes of Spurs, and Everton into that to try and get some support, and I guess for both Arsenal and Liverpool, them breaking away wasn’t going to happen if they didn’t have their derby bro’s follow them, at that time they still needed their ‘legacy fans’.

 

It’s going to get worse as well. I’ve banged on in the SJP thread for a while now how we are on the brink of a stadium revolution of sorts. I fully expect sooner or later for Liverpool to decide to build a new mega stadium. Man Utd will get theirs, it won’t be 100k in capacity and won’t have the clown tent, but they will get it. Arsenal are just waiting for the London mayor, and central government to provide funding to TFL for improvements to nearby tube stations, and they will expand the Emirates.

Make no mistake, they are wanting to pull away even further.

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2 hours ago, cubaricho said:

You guys are way too obsessed with us and vastly over estimate our influence on the game. :lol: 

It's American owners that want "closed shop" Super Leagues.

 

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League seems boring as fuck this season because:

1. Arsenal are sleepwalking winning the league in the most ugliest and uninteresting kind of way without a challenge from anyone.

2. Man Utd seem to be 'not losing' every week

3. We're not doing the best we can either

4. mackems seem to be okay-ish but we're somehow still above them

5. Relegation almost confirmed for Wolves (maybe?) and Burnley, leaving one spot remaining, only Spurs would make it interesting until the end of the season

6. Upcoming World Cup is in Orangeman Land (I know maybe has nothing to do with the PL being shit, but still...)

 

These are at the top of my hate list right now.

 

 

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14 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

Villa have been really average all season though. Certainly at best they've been no better than us in terms of performances - which is reflected in them massively over performing their xG in respect to points haul. This run of results just feels to me like an return to the mean.

 

Feels the same for these & Sunderland the past 2 months or so. Results now matching performances. Fair play to them both for getting the points on the board though while they did. 

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I blame shit refereeing which allows all kind of fouling and obstruction at set pieces, making them the easiest way to score. This also biases defending toward orcs useful at attacking and defending set pieces. Open field defending can be done by pressing with your forwards and cutting out passing lanes.

 

Refereeing is also insufficiently harsh on tactical fouling and has been for at least 10 years. A much harsher punishment is needed, something creative like a 10 minute sinbin and/or a direct free kick at chosen location 30 yards out for all tactical fouls, regardless of location on the pitch.

 

I would also draw a line halfway inside the penalty area and make any fouls between it and the edge of the area penalties according to referee discretion only for DOGSO etc. Diving just inside the edge of the conventional box would then only win you a free kick. This scant reward would stop lots of simulation. Keep penalties for fouls very close to the goal only.

 

I fear our overlords just want more branding and pazzaz and don't actually care about the sport and gameplay being entertaining for the neutral.

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19 hours ago, Moose said:

 

The way how it's covered is the absolute pits these days too. Gone are the days of subject matter experts objectively analysing the game, they made way for partisan gibbons howling at the moon with a 'hot take' about a cartel club in the hopes of 'blowing up on the socials'


Just looking at us this week, we had the Premier League officially trolling us, then Carragher’s standard absolutely laughable “commentary” on our Liverpool match, then that transparently awful Sky Sports interviewer goading Tudor. Pat for the course. It’s never been great, but some of the coverage seems to have degraded in line with what we’re seeing on the pitch.

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