Pata Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:03, TheBrownBottle said: Yes, I’d take a 22 year old Messi too I don’t take a handful of WC matches seriously in terms of determine the world’s best player. If that is the case, Benzema and Haaland aren’t even in with a shout as they didn’t play. Expand Haaland couldn’t even get his country to the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 20:30, Kanji said: Soon as Messi stopped, would have taken 2 steps back and reset myself - going back in aggresively killed him. Expand Aye they need to carry on and drop back as he slows to nullify the burst, but I imagine thinking that and then executing it in the moment is canny hard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:04, Pata said: Haaland couldn’t even get his country to the World Cup. Expand Yep, he’s shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:03, TheBrownBottle said: The French will beat Argentina comfortably - assuming they make it Expand Think I’ve read you say something similar after every Argentina match and they are only getting better and better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:03, TheBrownBottle said: The French will beat Argentina comfortably - assuming they make it Expand Not sure. This french side is weak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 The horrible thing about France is I feel like they haven’t got out of 2nd gear yet. I think they can probably go up a level and do a job on anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:09, Kimbo said: The horrible thing about France is I feel like they haven’t got out of 2nd gear yet. I think they can probably go up a level and do a job on anyone. Expand Not with Deschamps imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:06, Flip said: Not sure. This french side is weak. Expand Pretty much every side at this WC has been. Feels like these WCs come in cycles. This one will be forgotten quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I think we've really seen what a great decision it was for Messi to go to PSG. He really wanted this World Cup and going somewhere where he's been able to half-arse it domestically for 18 months has proved a masterstroke (it being in December has obviously helped as well). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) Pelé spent his entire career in Brazil and USA. Nowhere near Messi imo. Edited December 13, 2022 by The Butcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:11, TheBrownBottle said: Pretty much every side at this WC has been. Feels like these WCs come in cycles. This one will be forgotten quickly Expand Nar it’s been a great one imo Morocco going so far has made it , they are probably gone tomorrow though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:18, The Butcher said: Pelé spent his entire career in Brazil and USA. Nowhere near Messi imo. Expand Did you see him play ? He's the only one I would ever consider ahead of Messi, Pele also played in the days defenders could set about seeing how fast you could limp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:23, Toonpack said: Did you see him play ? He's the only one I would ever consider ahead of Messi, Pele also played in the days defenders could set about seeing how fast you could limp Expand Time period can go both ways, many defenders (or players generally) weren’t living like pro athletes either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Brazil league was the best In the world back then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:18, The Butcher said: Pelé spent his entire career in Brazil and USA. Nowhere near Messi imo. Expand The best club football in the world was played in South America back in then fwiw. Pele pissed on the biggest European club sides with Santos time and time again. Very good argument otherwise. On 13/12/2022 at 21:25, Pata said: Time period can go both ways, many defenders (or players generally) weren’t living like pro athletes either. Expand That is true and why you probably can’t compare between generations. I mean, Messi would’ve been a very small fella in Peles generation due to his growth hormone deficiency that he had to be treated for. That being said, let’s just enjoy Messi one more time Sunday. Hopefully he scores five and has a great performance but they still lose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:15, Wullie said: I think we've really seen what a great decision it was for Messi to go to PSG. He really wanted this World Cup and going somewhere where he's been able to half-arse it domestically for 18 months has proved a masterstroke (it being in December has obviously helped as well). Expand Qatar signing him and him then winning the WC in Qatar with the help of dubious calls in almost every game... Jokes aside, I think he’d have been this good no matter what. He has a new found love for Argentina in the past three years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Qatar can't really lose now for the ol' propaganda machine. They've got both the potential pin up winners in Messi and Mbappe. Even a Morocco upset would be an Arab success + their best player also plays for PSG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 In 2014 his player of the tournament award was debatable, but I think he's been incredible in this World Cup and the best player in the tournament. You can see he's lost a yard and has to decide when to go God mode and when to relax, but it just shows how high his ceiling was that he's still rinsing players now despite being slower and having less stamina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:48, Kid Icarus said: In 2014 his player of the tournament award was debatable, but I think he's been incredible in this World Cup and the best player in the tournament. You can see he's lost a yard and has to decide when to go God mode and when to relax, but it just shows how high his ceiling was that he's still rinsing players now despite being slower and having less stamina. Expand He's using his strength due to his low centre of gravity in a different way but still amazingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:09, Kimbo said: The horrible thing about France is I feel like they haven’t got out of 2nd gear yet. I think they can probably go up a level and do a job on anyone. Expand How? They aren't that much different to Argentina, one player who can win a game by himself in Mbappe, and a couple of other more measured threats in Griezmann and Giroud. Argentina have Messi and Alvarez. you could argue two of them are worth as much as the three of France's. I'd give France a very slight edge, but not by much. Assuming they get past Morocco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:48, Kid Icarus said: In 2014 his player of the tournament award was debatable, but I think he's been incredible in this World Cup and the best player in the tournament. You can see he's lost a yard and has to decide when to go God mode and when to relax, but it just shows how high his ceiling was that he's still rinsing players now despite being slower and having less stamina. Expand Can only really think of Greizmann who comes close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpinho Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Alvarez surely got young player of the tournament in the bag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 21:48, Kid Icarus said: In 2014 his player of the tournament award was debatable, but I think he's been incredible in this World Cup and the best player in the tournament. You can see he's lost a yard and has to decide when to go God mode and when to relax, but it just shows how high his ceiling was that he's still rinsing players now despite being slower and having less stamina. Expand 100% This is by far his best World Cup. This is prime Messi at display. They’ve put 9 defensive players and a striker that makes intelligent runs and let him do everything else and it’s working only because of him. If he wins this, it has to be a top 3 World Cup individual performance with Garrincha in ’62 and Maradona ’86. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 13/12/2022 at 22:05, Thorpinho said: Alvarez surely got young player of the tournament in the bag? Expand Thought it was until 21 years of age in which case I’d give it to Gvardiol I think. Bellingham there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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