Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Erikse]

6 hours ago, Pixelphish said:

I forgot CFC sold the Womens team to themselves. Can't hate it when they're allowed to get away with it. Apparently its not a related party transaction when its literally yourself.

 

Why doesn't other clubs start doing these things aswell? The ownership setup doesn't allow for it?

[Mikky]

18 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:

Haven’t they had a loan bid rejected for him?

Not sure but there are issues with him and Juve currently and with them looking at Zirkzee they may cash in 

[pubteam]

The day this thread disappears can't come soon enough. I really feel like football is slowly destroying itself with endless restrictions to protect the established teams. Who'd have thought we'd see the day when the premier league takes it's own teams to court and appeals the very appeals they just lost. Talk about destroying your own brand.

[gjohnson]

1 hour ago, Erikse said:

 

Why doesn't other clubs start doing these things aswell? The ownership setup doesn't allow for it?

Cos it's dodgy as f*** and only

Chelsea seem to allowed to get away with it

[TheBrownBottle]

It’s really annoying when clubs do dodgy things to get around PSR.

 

Apropos of nothing, Elliot Anderson was definitely worth £35m and that Greek goalie was definitely worth £20m.  Definitely.   

[healthyaddiction]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s really annoying when clubs do dodgy things to get around PSR.

 

Apropos of nothing, Elliot Anderson was definitely worth £35m and that Greek goalie was definitely worth £20m.  Definitely.   

£35m for Anderson looks like a steal for Forest at the moment.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, healthyaddiction said:

£35m for Anderson looks like a steal for Forest at the moment.

There’s no way the lad was valued at that at the time. 

[HayDen Traces]

Elliot Anderson is the geordie maradona. His technical ability is frightening. If he added goals to his game he'd be elite.

[Pearljam10]

2 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Elliot Anderson is the geordie maradona. His technical ability is frightening. If he added goals to his game he'd be elite.

5 PL assists so far 

[The College Dropout]

17 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said:

£35m for Anderson looks like a steal for Forest at the moment.

Most other teams signed promising youngsters.  We signed someone that would never come close to justifying the fee. Ever.  Not even half. 

[gjohnson]

18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

There’s no way the lad was valued at that at the time. 

Nope he was 5m at best...wasn't great for us in any way shape or form. Capable sub and nothing more

[gjohnson]

Just now, gjohnson said:

Nope he was 5m at best...wasn't great for us in any way shape or form. Capable sub and nothing more

Call him longstaff and no-one would have noticed the difference 

[Terrymac1966]

Elliot Anderson couldnt fasten Mileys boots in terms of class. Ok hes a different type of player but id sooner have Hoddle than David Rocastle

[Holloway]

Elliot was on the slow burn for us, he was coming good towards the end. It's such a competitive area for us I doubt he'd be a starter yet. I'd take Miley over him no question

[huss9]

2 hours ago, gjohnson said:

Call him longstaff and no-one would have noticed the difference 

elliot seems to have a much stronger mindset than longstaff.

[FloydianMag]

Worth a read re Independent Regulator.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/14/hopes-for-regulator-in-the-balance-as-lords-tie-up-football-governance-bill

[LFEE]

18 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

Why doesn't other clubs start doing these things aswell? The ownership setup doesn't allow for it?

Changing the rules (too late to catch Chelsea as usual as same goes for their Hotel fiddle)

 

On a side note both these deals are yet to pass the FMV test apparently so they could come back to bite them. Scandalous the investigations take so long.

[Erikse]

27 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Changing the rules (too late to catch Chelsea as usual as same goes for their Hotel fiddle)

 

On a side note both these deals are yet to pass the FMV test apparently so they could come back to bite them. Scandalous the investigations take so long.

 

If they change the rules, atleast cartel clubs that wants to abuse the rules can't keep getting away with this one. Win win.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Erikse

[janpawel]

Can we review and increase sponsors every year, specifically when we make Europe? 

 

Just trying to think of how we can make significant progress that doesn't involve getting a £100m sponsor like the top 6 teams, or selling our best players every year.

 

Say for example this year we either make CL or EL (not guaranteed, I know) , making Europe for the second time in 3 seasons, could we 

 

- Increase our sponsors as result 

- CL is probably worth 20-40m for group stage participation / making it though? 

- Assume we make 20-30m in sales/wages saved

- Sign a RW, RCB and Keeper

 

Then I assume we'd start next season as we started this season, pretty much maxing out our FFP allowance, but with a reasonablely improved team and squad 

 

So we go again next season, and hopefully make Europe again, with my question then being, can we bump up the sponsors again, and soon have them as big as the lower end of the top 6 teams, as soon as we can show we are 'established' in those positions? 

 

 

 

 

 

[janpawel]

I know that's overly simplified and assumes we make linear progress on the pitch, all singings come good, we can sell fringe players like miggy, Longstaff etc. just wondering what the way forward is that isn't selling Isak for £100m, or the club pulling their finger out and boosting commercial revenue drastically which seems unlikely 

 

@The College Dropout you have a good understanding of this type of stuff 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by janpawel
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[Jackie Broon]

44 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Changing the rules (too late to catch Chelsea as usual as same goes for their Hotel fiddle)

 

On a side note both these deals are yet to pass the FMV test apparently so they could come back to bite them. Scandalous the investigations take so long.

 

The sale itself is fine IMO, they can't stop clubs selling property that they own provided that it's at market value, which it seems it probably was. The issue is the management contract which it has been reported means they still get all the profits from the hotel going forward.

 

They shouldn't need to change the rules, it's clear as day that a management contract giving them full profits from a hotel they no longer own is not fair market value.

 

 

[Unbelievable]

28 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

The sale itself is fine IMO, they can't stop clubs selling property that they own provided that it's at market value, which it seems it probably was. The issue is the management contract which it has been reported means they still get all the profits from the hotel going forward.

 

They shouldn't need to change the rules, it's clear as day that a management contract giving them full profits from a hotel they no longer own is not fair market value.

 

 

 

On Talksport the other day there was a PSR specialist who said that although Chelsea have not been charged, there is also no conclusion yet of the investigation into the sales by Chelsea of the hotel and their women's team. Apparently these things run independently of each other somehow.

[Unbelievable]

40 minutes ago, janpawel said:

Can we review and increase sponsors every year, specifically when we make Europe? 

 

Just trying to think of how we can make significant progress that doesn't involve getting a £100m sponsor like the top 6 teams, or selling our best players every year.

 

Say for example this year we either make CL or EL (not guaranteed, I know) , making Europe for the second time in 3 seasons, could we 

 

- Increase our sponsors as result 

- CL is probably worth 20-40m for group stage participation / making it though? 

- Assume we make 20-30m in sales/wages saved

- Sign a RW, RCB and Keeper

 

Then I assume we'd start next season as we started this season, pretty much maxing out our FFP allowance, but with a reasonablely improved team and squad 

 

So we go again next season, and hopefully make Europe again, with my question then being, can we bump up the sponsors again, and soon have them as big as the lower end of the top 6 teams, as soon as we can show we are 'established' in those positions? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The cycle of improvement we need to keep doing is indeed "do well on the pitch" -> "get more media attention and more high profile games televised, i.e. get more TV revenue" -> "attract better sponsors and/or renegotiate with existing sponsors" and "sell more merchandise" -> "get more commercial revenue" -> "buy better players" -> "do better on the pitch" -> etc.

 

Somewhere in there there is also a place for selling an buying the right players at the right time for the right price.

 

We have great owners, who have brought in great directors and other staff, so I am fairly confident that we can keep moving in the right direction. Actually qualifying for CL again will be massive, and the more of the traditional six don't, the better for us too (howay Forest, Villa and others).

[Turnbull2000]

21 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

 

On Talksport the other day there was a PSR specialist who said that although Chelsea have not been charged, there is also no conclusion yet of the investigation into the sales by Chelsea of the hotel and their women's team. Apparently these things run independently of each other somehow.

 

How long can it take for fuck sake

 

Probably reluctant to charge them due to the risk of a backlash from the breakaway clubs.

[Unbelievable]

With respect to our "big six" competitors, I think it is fair to assume that not qualifying for Champions League will make them significantly less appealing for sponsors, and there are probably bonus related commercial agreements in place depending on the club featuring on the highest European club competition level, as well as perhaps doing well domestically.

 

In the past five years (including current edition) with respect to Champions League participation:

• Spurs has missed out four times and will probably miss out again
• Arsenal has missed out three times
• Man U has missed out twice and will probably miss out again
• Chelsea has missed out twice (last two editions) and might miss out again if their slump continues
• Liverpool missed out once
• Only City was an ever present in the CL

Should we manage to qualify for CL this year it would be the second time in three years since the takeover.

 

If this pattern continues, I would expect commercial revenue at some of these "big six" clubs to stagnate, whereas ours is clearly on the up and, sustained by becoming a regular CL participant, could well continue to grow rapidly.

 

A few years down the line things could look very differently indeed.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Unbelievable