Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[TheHoob]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

...but they've caved again and shown that the rules don't stand up to scrutiny.

 

City, Leicester and Chelsea have all forced them into concessions of sorts, while the Everton judgement was absolutely all over the shop.

 

They're making it up on the hoof and it shows.

 

Does seem very on brand to come to/be forced into another nonsense situation like this. Tying themselves in knots once again. 

[duo]

5 minutes ago, STM said:

 

So you want us to break the rules and if we dont break the rules, you are seriously questioning an ownership which had already achieved way more than I thought they would in 4 years?

No I want us to challenge them as they are unfair and not fit for purpose.

[BennyBlanco]

I think on the face of it - city have had a one time pass to sign a gargantuan deal if they ease up on what’s without a doubt the premier leagues Achilles heel from a legal point of view. 
 

You can bet the farm though that we won’t be allowed to follow suit and let’s face it we probably wouldn’t have the bollocks to challenge the status quo anyway. We could probably capitalise on this if we wanted to - but once again it will mean nothing changes in regards to how we do business.

[STM]

1 minute ago, duo said:

No I want us to challenge them as they are unfair and not fit for purpose.

 

And if we dont challenge them we arent serious about competing at the top?

 

Or perhaps they are being patient, rather than desperate.

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

...but they've caved again and shown that the rules don't stand up to scrutiny.

 

City, Leicester and Chelsea have all forced them into concessions of sorts, while the Everton judgement was absolutely all over the shop.

 

They're making it up on the hoof and it shows.

They're incompetent like, I agree with everything you're saying. All I'm saying as an aside is that I'd be surprised if the cartel would allow the PL to do something that would leave themselves exposed and vulnerable to us. They're terrified of us taking over financially 

[The Prophet]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

They're incompetent like, I agree with everything you're saying. All I'm saying as an aside is that I'd be surprised if the cartel would allow the PL to do something that would leave themselves exposed and vulnerable to us. They're terrified of us taking over financially 

 

I get you now

[duo]

8 minutes ago, STM said:

 

And if we dont challenge them we arent serious about competing at the top?

 

Or perhaps they are being patient, rather than desperate.

Atm it's like one step forward and two steps back and it won't change unless PSR changes.

[STM]

13 minutes ago, duo said:

Atm it's like one step forward and two steps back and it won't change unless PSR changes.

 

I must have missed the two steps back. When the takeover first happened, if youd asked me where id like the club to be in 4 years time, id have been buzzing to be in the conversation for CL.

 

Weve had 2 CL campaigns (should have had europe when 7th), multiple cup runs, 2 trips to Wembley, a cup and multiple memorable moments. Sometimes its worth taking a deep breath and remembering where we are.

 

Its also worth remembering that we've got a bonifide top 6 squad, with very little in the way of deadwood, a new CEO who's whole career has been based around revenue of big business, an incoming DoF (fingers crossed we've landed on the right bloke) and most importantly an elite manager who 99% of fans idolise.

 

They are always there to be judged but steady on, we are in a great place and hopefully its just the beginning.

[Bimpy474]

12 minutes ago, STM said:

 

I must have missed the two steps back. When the takeover first happened, if youd asked me where id like the club to be in 4 years time, id have been buzzing to be in the conversation for CL.

 

Weve had 2 CL campaigns (should have had europe when 7th), multiple cup runs, 2 trips to Wembley, a cup and multiple memorable moments. Sometimes its worth taking a deep breath and remembering where we are.

 

Its also worth remembering that we've got a bonifide top 6 squad, with very little in the way of deadwood, a new CEO who's whole career has been based around revenue of big business, an incoming DoF (fingers crossed we've landed on the right bloke) and most importantly an elite manager who 99% of fans idolise.

 

They are always there to be judged but steady on, we are in a great place and hopefully its just the beginning.

 

Perfectly put sir  

[LFEE]

 

[PauloGeordio]

32 minutes ago, STM said:

 

I must have missed the two steps back. When the takeover first happened, if youd asked me where id like the club to be in 4 years time, id have been buzzing to be in the conversation for CL.

 

Weve had 2 CL campaigns (should have had europe when 7th), multiple cup runs, 2 trips to Wembley, a cup and multiple memorable moments. Sometimes its worth taking a deep breath and remembering where we are.

 

Its also worth remembering that we've got a bonifide top 6 squad, with very little in the way of deadwood, a new CEO who's whole career has been based around revenue of big business, an incoming DoF (fingers crossed we've landed on the right bloke) and most importantly an elite manager who 99% of fans idolise.

 

They are always there to be judged but steady on, we are in a great place and hopefully its just the beginning.

[Armchair Pundit]

1 hour ago, duo said:

No I want us to challenge them as they are unfair and not fit for purpose.

 

Agreed, I don't see any valid reason why we couldn't now go out and obtain a sponsorship deal of the same value with someone like Saudia or Aramco. There would be zero justification for blocking such a deal without a solid legal challenge, the league might stamp their feet initially, but when presented with legal action would have to cave.

[Menace]

36 minutes ago, STM said:

 

I must have missed the two steps back. When the takeover first happened, if youd asked me where id like the club to be in 4 years time, id have been buzzing to be in the conversation for CL.

 

Weve had 2 CL campaigns (should have had europe when 7th), multiple cup runs, 2 trips to Wembley, a cup and multiple memorable moments. Sometimes its worth taking a deep breath and remembering where we are.

 

Its also worth remembering that we've got a bonifide top 6 squad, with very little in the way of deadwood, a new CEO who's whole career has been based around revenue of big business, an incoming DoF (fingers crossed we've landed on the right bloke) and most importantly an elite manager who 99% of fans idolise.

 

They are always there to be judged but steady on, we are in a great place and hopefully its just the beginning.

 

Well said. You'd think we're Everton the way some talk

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

They're incompetent like, I agree with everything you're saying. All I'm saying as an aside is that I'd be surprised if the cartel would allow the PL to do something that would leave themselves exposed and vulnerable to us. They're terrified of us taking over financially 

If I was them, I wouldn’t be petrified.  Our owners will do the easy stuff for us.  Anything difficult they won’t try. They just need some type of barrier. 

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, STM said:

Just do exactly whatever city have done and get the lawyers ready.

We won’t get the lawyers ready at all

[Armchair Pundit]

I must admit, all this lack of challenging the obviously nonsensical barriers put in place to stop us investing really does make our owners look weak and timid on that front, something I never thought the Saudis would want or do.

[STM]

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We won’t get the lawyers ready at all

[duo]

57 minutes ago, STM said:

 

I must have missed the two steps back. When the takeover first happened, if youd asked me where id like the club to be in 4 years time, id have been buzzing to be in the conversation for CL.

 

Weve had 2 CL campaigns (should have had europe when 7th), multiple cup runs, 2 trips to Wembley, a cup and multiple memorable moments. Sometimes its worth taking a deep breath and remembering where we are.

 

Its also worth remembering that we've got a bonifide top 6 squad, with very little in the way of deadwood, a new CEO who's whole career has been based around revenue of big business, an incoming DoF (fingers crossed we've landed on the right bloke) and most importantly an elite manager who 99% of fans idolise.

 

They are always there to be judged but steady on, we are in a great place and hopefully its just the beginning.

The step forward is obviously all the success you listed, winning a cup and qualifying for the CL.  The steps back was the debacle that was this transfer window - if the Summer has taught us anything it is how hamstrung the club are as a result of PSR.  Not so much in what we can spend but more so in what wages we can offer players - time after time players chose other clubs over Newcastle mainly because we could not match what other clubs were offering.  We also lost our best player as a direct result of PSR - we just were not able to pay him the wages arguably his talent deserved. 

 

How Eddie managed to salvage this transfer window is beyond me.   But there is no denying our 1st eleven is weaker without Isak.

 

 

Edited September 8, 2025 by duo

[Dokko]

So the new guy going to come in and sign multiple deals creating £100m a year into the club in his 1st few weeks and be lauded a genius or we just going to keep going trying to find pennies down the back of our solid gold couch?

[SAK]

We provided evidence in support of City’s case I recall,  I guess we had our own agenda for doing so. I wonder if we achieved what we wanted or if City used us under the pretence they would follow through with their case?

[robbo_11]

35 minutes ago, SAK said:

We provided evidence in support of City’s case I recall,  I guess we had our own agenda for doing so. I wonder if we achieved what we wanted or if City used us under the pretence they would follow through with their case?

 

As a club we should go back and look at the £20m we had to reduce from Sela due to FMV over the last two seasons.

 

I'm fairly sure it was raised this summer that essentially a training ground sponsor was not attractive with them looking to move in the future which had reduced the desire to pursue this currently. We should be looking at a training kit sponsor though as a way to generate income.

[Steve Charlton]

51 minutes ago, SAK said:

We provided evidence in support of City’s case I recall,  I guess we had our own agenda for doing so. I wonder if we achieved what we wanted or if City used us under the pretence they would follow through with their case?

Can you remember what for?

 

The timing with Levy being sacked and Hopkinson signing on with us along with this Citeh stuff is interesting... 

 

Borson replied to this over at bluemoon

 

And no settlement between City and the PL prevents other teams (like Newcastle) from claiming the rules are unlawful.

 

I agree nothing blocks Newcastle from picking up the reigns but they didn't even bother to be co-claimant with City so that is unlikely unless the new CEO wants to cause a stir.

[TRon]

4 hours ago, FloydianMag said:

The precedent has been set, if the club choose to do nothing it’ll speak volumes.

 

 

I think PIF had every intention to build the biggest and best club in England when they bought in - I mean why wouldn't they? The money is nothing to them, and if the goal was sportswashing, being associated with the most successful club in the world is the way to do it.

 

But you  also have to remember the Saudi govt is virtually partners with the British govt on a lot of international issues. They have a longstanding alliance from the days the kingdom took power. They might not feel it's a good look to be going up against England's biggest and most successful sporting ruling body. I wonder if that's why the gloves have stayed on?

 

 

[SAK]

11 minutes ago, Steve Charlton said:

Can you remember what for?

 

The timing with Levy being sacked and Hopkinson signing on with us along with this Citeh stuff is interesting... 

 

Borson replied to this over at bluemoon

 

And no settlement between City and the PL prevents other teams (like Newcastle) from claiming the rules are unlawful.

 

I agree nothing blocks Newcastle from picking up the reigns but they didn't even bother to be co-claimant with City so that is unlikely unless the new CEO wants to cause a stir.

Us, Chelsea and Everton provided evidence in support of City whilst the Red cartel, Spurs and West Ham gave evidence for the Premier League. What our evidence was I’m not sure. 
 

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/41661277/man-city-premier-league-claim-win-associated-party-case

[TRon]

16 minutes ago, Steve Charlton said:

Can you remember what for?

 

The timing with Levy being sacked and Hopkinson signing on with us along with this Citeh stuff is interesting... 

 

Borson replied to this over at bluemoon

 

And no settlement between City and the PL prevents other teams (like Newcastle) from claiming the rules are unlawful.

 

I agree nothing blocks Newcastle from picking up the reigns but they didn't even bother to be co-claimant with City so that is unlikely unless the new CEO wants to cause a stir.

 

 

Let's hope the new CEO does want to create a stir. He's reputed to be someone who doesn't shy away from a challenge, this might be right up his street.