Scott McTominay

[RodneyCisse]

 

Please make the right choice.

[midds]

I'd be telling him exactly the same thing tbh. He'd suit claret and blue

[LV]

Jermaine Pennant advises….

 

I mean yes, please consider West Ham rather than us but also…. Jermaine Pennant  

[gbandit]

West Ham would be a great fit for him

[Skeletor]

1 hour ago, RodneyCisse said:

 

Please make the right choice.

 

[pedro111]

Just saw his goals and I still have absolutely no idea if he's any good or not.

[GeordieDazzler]

Christ what a non article. 

[TheDarkKnight]

14 hours ago, TRon said:

 

We've seen that he can score goals in spurts, actually something that Longstaff can do as well. I'm sure he can tackle and press effectively as well - again something Longstaff can do as well. My only question is how good is he in possession? Can he hold the ball? Can he bring it out? Can he pass with precision? Is his first touch good? Why did you pay £60m for a 31yr old Brazilian if the answer to all of those questions is yes?

 

 

Good questions.

 

He's fine in possession. If you want a comparison, he's about the same level as Rice and Phillips.

 

He's not the most adventurous of passers, but neither are the aforementioned two. His first touch is OK.

 

His main attributes are dribbling and shooting. If I were going to put a label on him, I'd say that he's an old school box-to-box midfielder.

 

He isn't an anchorman. He's better when he's closer to the opposition box than his own.

 

He's unlucky playing in a generation where double-pivots are in fashion. The midfield position these days are broken into two halves, and I'll be honest, he isn't good another to play either.

 

If he played in a three man central midfield were he was given licence to get forward, etc, he'd easily get double digits of goals a season.

 

Since you mention Casemiro, he's a weird player. His positioning is world class but his passing is shocking. At Madrid he kept it simple, and was effective, but since he joined Manchester United I think he's been asked to pass through the lines. He can't do that.

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by TheDarkKnight

[TheDarkKnight]

18 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

Chelsea were happy to sell Salah and KDB, what exactly does that prove?

 

That footballers progress at different ages.

[TheDarkKnight]

19 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

You talk about snobbery and then you talk utter nonsense about Willock and Longstaff 

 

Willock is a better player than McTominay and is still getting better 

 

My point is that the English midfield isn't really that strong. Behind Phillips and Rice Is an aging Henderson and a soon to be relegated Ward Prowse, there's very little.

 

Also, people forget that Gareth Southgate tried to convince McTominay to play for England.

 

I know that it's a cliche, but if McTominay were Brazilian and his name was McTominho, people's perception of him would probably be different.

[Geordie Ahmed]

18 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

 

That footballers progress at different ages.

Eh? That's not the point you were making though

 

You suggested Arsenal being happy to sell him meant he wasn't all that but the examples I gave of Salah/KDB proves that means nothing really 

[Geordie Ahmed]

8 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

 

My point is that the English midfield isn't really that strong. Behind Phillips and Rice Is an aging Henderson and a soon to be relegated Ward Prowse, there's very little.

 

Also, people forget that Gareth Southgate tried to convince McTominay to play for England.

 

I know that it's a cliche, but if McTominay were Brazilian and his name was McTominho, people's perception of him would probably be different.

I think your last point is bollocks because if we were linked to Fred, an actual Brazilian, you'll find the reaction would be the same if not worse

[Mazzy]

Wouldn't shock me to see him go to West Ham. Rice leaving to go the other way also.

[TheDarkKnight]

29 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

Wouldn't shock me to see him go to West Ham. Rice leaving to go the other way also.

 

It would be like swapping an apple for an orange.

 

Totally different players.

 

I think whomever buys Rice will play him as a center back.

[Dr Venkman]

16 hours ago, thomas said:

sure he might be able to polish a turd but what if we just buy him a diamond in the first place

Yeah, but not every signing is going to be a diamond, some are just players who can get a job done. I think that's ok.

[Mazzy]

3 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

 

It would be like swapping an apple for an orange.

 

Totally different players.

 

I think whomever buys Rice will play him as a center back.

 

Yes they are different players with different traits and all that but that doesn't mean that West Ham won't be looking at someone like McTominay if Rice leaves. 

 

And I'm assuming you're joking by saying he'll end up playing at CB when he leaves, otherwise that would be some crazy stupid hot take. 

[Froggy]

3 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I think whomever buys Rice will play him as a center back.

 

[TBG]

Worrying if we're losing our top target to the likes of West Ham. 

[Ikon]

Might be difficult to get but I’d be very very happy if we could get one of Ugarte/Kone. Rather see us spend £50m on one of these than £30m (minimum?) on McTom. Younger too. 

[Nine]

Agree that those two would be more exciting signings however with Mctominay I feel that the prem experience and being able to settle/integrate faster into our squad and system shouldn’t be overlooked either.

[Ikon]

Rather give new players a bit of time to settle and be stronger for it in the long term. Plus even if we signed someone like Mactommy I doubt he would be thrown in straight away/much much sooner anyway. Even if he has a full preseason. 

[Nine]

Yeah, not disagreeing on that approach at all. Its just that if we look at our business so far you can see a pretty fair balance between British, prem experience signings and the foreign prospects. Expect this next window will be no different. 

[Ace]

What I think of when it comes to Mctominay is when Casemiro got suspended did anyone think ‘oh no we Mctominay will be playing against us’?

 

Or did we all go get in we might be playing McFred ? 

[TRon]

9 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Good questions.

 

He's fine in possession. If you want a comparison, he's about the same level as Rice and Phillips.

 

He's not the most adventurous of passers, but neither are the aforementioned two. His first touch is OK.

 

His main attributes are dribbling and shooting. If I were going to put a label on him, I'd say that he's an old school box-to-box midfielder.

 

He isn't an anchorman. He's better when he's closer to the opposition box than his own.

 

He's unlucky playing in a generation where double-pivots are in fashion. The midfield position these days are broken into two halves, and I'll be honest, he isn't good another to play either.

 

If he played in a three man central midfield were he was given licence to get forward, etc, he'd easily get double digits of goals a season.

 

Since you mention Casemiro, he's a weird player. His positioning is world class but his passing is shocking. At Madrid he kept it simple, and was effective, but since he joined Manchester United I think he's been asked to pass through the lines. He can't do that.

 

 

 

 

Fair enough. Still feels like he's technically limited, and tbh I would rather have a midfielder who can sit allowing Bruno to get forward more since he CAN make decisive passes in the final third, and can also do the box to box stuff as well.

[Conjo]

Buying average players at a premium and hope/expect Howe to improve them just because he's managed to improve some of our current players doesn't seem like a very smart business or football decision.

 

If McTominay was 6 years younger then sure, it maybe worth the risk. 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Conjo