David Edgar Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Oh I'm with you on that. McTominay would be fantastic in our system. And yet, he'd still piss us all off with his limitations. Edited May 27, 2023 by David Edgar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Burn is underrated. Annoying in some ways, but he's just been a lock in, slightly out of position, in the joint best defensive in the EPL. He fucks me right off, but you can't deny what he brings. I think my overall position on all these points is that the extreme opinions are way off. I agree, again I'm not trying to criticize Burn or Longstaff here. What I like about Burn is that you kind of allways know what you will get. He's not a star, but atleast he is quite consistent. Hoping to see more of him at CB rather than LB. Edited May 27, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 You can see why Howe would want him if he could get him playing like this every week. https://twitter.com/europaleague/status/1662104552131231744?s=46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 12 hours ago, Astroblack said: At the cost of losing Cole, no? Butt, Obertan, Smith. We’ve been burned far too many times. Simo was ok but he was young and had the Championship to climatize. We became a better team without Cole and with Gillespie. Became title contenders in the next two seasons where we were falling away from that previously and struggling to score. Victors get to rewrite history but Cole was considered a disaster his first three seasons at Man United, a literal joke at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: We became a better team without Cole and with Gillespie. Became title contenders in the next two seasons where we were falling away from that previously and struggling to score. Victors get to rewrite history but Cole was considered a disaster his first three seasons at Man United, a literal joke at times. Andy Cole couldn't score in a brothel with £7m strapped to his nob. That's all I remember from that transfer, I was 15 tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Scott McTominay gets hammered a lot here because he plays for them, Just like Gordon with the scouse cunts.Good player who'd be class within the squad we now need in europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 On 26/05/2023 at 07:47, Unbelievable said: I mostly avoid this thread as I don’t like spending time contemplating seeing McTominay in black and white, but I have to ask: what is the assumption that Howe is massively keen on him based on? Has Eddie ever come out and said as much? I could imagine McTominay might have been an option if we were playing in the lesser EUFA competition. I can also imagine that if we qualified for the CL then we might upgrade to higher level transfer targets. This debate could be raging on the basis of absolutely fuck all tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Mattoon said: Andy Cole couldn't score in a brothel with £7m strapped to his nob. That's all I remember from that transfer, I was 15 tbf He also didn’t score in his last nine PL games for us. Teams had worked out how to defend against him. KK sold him at exactly the right moment - the issue with selling Cole was not replacing him until the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 May as well just get Isaac Hayden back in the team and save around £30-40M for the same results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Beth said: May as well just get Isaac Hayden back in the team and save around £30-40M for the same results. Hayden would not have had 207 games for Manchester United. McTominay is not a Championship player. Edited May 28, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Just now, Erikse said: Hayden would not have had 207 games for Mamchester United. McTominay is not a Championship player. And McTominay is not a top 6 PL standard player, which is where we want to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Froggy said: John O'Shea was miles better than Dan Burn. Was he b*****ks Different player different role, and Burn has been far more effective and useful for us than O'Shea ever was for you. Edited May 28, 2023 by gjohnson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Was he b*****ks Different player different role, and Burn has been far more effective and useful for us than O'Shea ever was for you. I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are. In what world was Dan Burn more useful than O'Shea? O'Shea made nearly 400 appearances for us and played every position on the pitch for us at some point. O'Shea is lightyears ahead of Burn. Not even remotely close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 23 hours ago, David Edgar said: I think my overall position on all these points is that the extreme opinions are way off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, David Edgar said: I can accept anyone saying McTominay isn't good, but saying Burn is better than O'Shea is a bizarre take. Can appreciate the job he's done for you all the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Was he b*****ks Different player different role, and Burn has been far more effective and useful for us than O'Shea ever was for you. Mate.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I mean, I love Burn but he's nowhere near as good as O'Shea at Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) Always had O'Shea as an okay player who looked better for playing alongside elite players. Utterly bombed once out of that environment and into his 30s. Burn is an okay player too. But feels like his ability curve has been an upwards trend to this point. Also both perfect for their relative squad roles. You wouldn't swap them, hypothetically. Edited May 28, 2023 by David Edgar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Always had O'Shea as an okay player who looked better for playing alongside elite players. Utterly bombed once out of that environment. He had a good few seasons for us where he was top class. Proper professional as well. Scored some very important goals and of course nutmegged Figo in the Champions League. He's up there with Messi tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Froggy said: I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are. In what world was Dan Burn more useful than O'Shea? O'Shea made nearly 400 appearances for us and played every position on the pitch for us at some point. O'Shea is lightyears ahead of Burn. Not even remotely close. Dan Burn has been a fixture in a team threatened by relegation to champions league in the space of a year. O'Shea was surrounded by the best and always did a good/decent job when called on. Ultimately always just a space filler to do a job when the first choice wasn't available. So yes I think it is fair to say Burn has been more useful to us than O'Shea ever was for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) Just wanted to post in here for Mazzy. You spoke it into existence. The thread is back. Edited May 30, 2023 by Sufi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 On 28/05/2023 at 13:53, gjohnson said: Dan Burn has been a fixture in a team threatened by relegation to champions league in the space of a year. O'Shea was surrounded by the best and always did a good/decent job when called on. Ultimately always just a space filler to do a job when the first choice wasn't available. So yes I think it is fair to say Burn has been more useful to us than O'Shea ever was for you ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 On 28/05/2023 at 13:53, gjohnson said: Dan Burn has been a fixture in a team threatened by relegation to champions league in the space of a year. O'Shea was surrounded by the best and always did a good/decent job when called on. Ultimately always just a space filler to do a job when the first choice wasn't available. So yes I think it is fair to say Burn has been more useful to us than O'Shea ever was for you Sorry but if froggy is correct with him playing over 400 games in many positions then burn is nowhere near as useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Sorry but if froggy is correct with him playing over 400 games in many positions then burn is nowhere near as useful. 393 apps. Every played keeper for us at one point. Started at least one game in every position except for centre forward. When Keane left the club he started 30+ games in midfield and was the preferred option over Fletcher and Park Ji Sung at the time. Similarly to when Rio got his ban for missing a drugs test, O'Shea was first choice CB for us and started 30+ games again that season. He was much more for us than a utility man. I would say even the most diehard Newcastle fans are appreciative of Burn but know he's one of the first names that will need replaced in order to take the next step up. Tierney would be a monumental upgrade on him at left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Froggy said: 393 apps. Every played keeper for us at one point. Started at least one game in every position except for centre forward. When Keane left the club he started 30+ games in midfield and was the preferred option over Fletcher and Park Ji Sung at the time. Similarly to when Rio got his ban for missing a drugs test, O'Shea was first choice CB for us and started 30+ games again that season. He was much more for us than a utility man. I would say even the most diehard Newcastle fans are appreciative of Burn but know he's one of the first names that will need replaced in order to take the next step up. Tierney would be a monumental upgrade on him at left back. Agreed but tierneys injury record isn’t great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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