Sandro Tonali

[Gawalls]

39 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Someone better than Tonali was last season?! if we can't manage that then fold the club.

I honestly think both Miley and Ramsey if given regular starts will be better than last season's tonali, bring in a proper defensive mid and I think thats a massive start, another first choice keeper, peddle pope and a new RB, and competion for Barnes then id be really happy with only RM and up front but we don't talk about those.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:26 by Gawalls

[bigfella]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I love the phrase "by all accounts", just means something is pure conjecture

 

Yup, by his lasses actual Instagram account, she seems happy here.

[KaKa]

14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The amount of attacks that Tonali disrupted is really ignored on here, we're talking a couple a game at least. And he was one of the only players who kept running and trying throughout the season and throughout difficult games.

 

What actually gets ignored on here is how ineffective he was at initiating play from the back, and how in turn that made it incredibly difficult for us to advance the ball up the pitch consistently or keep control of games, which then meant the team was under more and more pressure defensively.

 

And so at that point it's all well and good running around all over the place and stopping the odd attack, but it ultimately counted for nothing, because we would still concede goals eventually and lose games. A lot of times this also came about because there were gaps in front of the defence because of a lack of positional discipline from him too.

 

Ideally the manager should have made adjustments to the way the team was setup, but he didn't. It's not clear if he will do so going forward either. And so it's probably better to let Tonali go and go and get someone better suited for his system in that deeper position.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:25 by KaKa

[1881]

The amount of times that players want to leave after three years is no coincidence - agents nearly always get their payments from clubs (for a transfer) over three years whatever the length of the contract signed. Therefore it is very much in the interests of the agent’s for their player to move again after three years to keep the money flowing. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:57 by 1881

[Menace]

Scenes when Tottenham find out he's been gambling again 

[Kid Icarus]

41 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I love the phrase "by all accounts", just means something is pure conjecture

It's literally true though. Anyone who knows her knows this.

[Fak]

41 minutes ago, Smal said:

fold the club if we sell Tonali to Spurs tbh

 

Fold Tonali in half if we do in August.

[Menace]

I do find it a bit disgusting  how much of a twat him and his agent have been considering he was twiddling his thumbs for a good 12 months whilst on a ban and the club supported him and even did a lot for him behind the doors

 

Still, no loyalty in football now days so what do you expect

 

 

[Shearergol]

40 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

What actually gets ignored on here is how ineffective he was at initiating play from the back, and how in turn that made it incredibly difficult for us to advance the ball up the pitch consistently or keep control of games, which then meant the team was under more and more pressure defensively.

 

And so at that point it's all well and good running around all over the place and stopping the odd attack, but it ultimately counted for nothing, because we would still concede goals eventually and lose games. A lot of times this also came about because there were gaps in front of the defence because of a lack of positional discipline from him too.

 

Ideally the manager should have made adjustments to the way the team was setup, but he didn't. It's not clear if he will do so going forward either. And so it's probably better to let Tonali go and go and get someone better suited for his system in that deeper position.

 

 

 

Kinda pointless keepers making saves if the team ends up losing too I guess

 

Why do people talk like we lost every single game?

[pubteam]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

I do find it a bit disgusting  how much of a twat him and his agent have been considering he was twiddling his thumbs for a good 12 months whilst on a ban and the club supported him and even did a lot for him behind the doors

 

Still, no loyalty in football now days so what do you expect

 

 

Be nice if we could buy some players who actually want to play for the club.

[Menace]

1 minute ago, pubteam said:

Be nice if we could buy some players who actually want to play for the club.

 

Aye. Just modern football really. Different if you're a Dan Burn or a Longstaff and you're a local lad with a connection to the club, otherwise it's just a conveyor belt. Bruno obviously being the anomaly 

[Pablo]

44 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

What actually gets ignored on here is how ineffective he was at initiating play from the back, and how in turn that made it incredibly difficult for us to advance the ball up the pitch consistently or keep control of games, which then meant the team was under more and more pressure defensively.

 

And so at that point it's all well and good running around all over the place and stopping the odd attack, but it ultimately counted for nothing, because we would still concede goals eventually and lose games. A lot of times this also came about because there were gaps in front of the defence because of a lack of positional discipline from him too.

 

Ideally the manager should have made adjustments to the way the team was setup, but he didn't. It's not clear if he will do so going forward either. And so it's probably better to let Tonali go and go and get someone better suited for his system in that deeper position.

 

 

 

I get what you’re saying but a lot of the problem of your first para is due to the players around Tonali, not Tonali himself. He’s an elite water carrier who actually has good metrics for progressing the ball. He’s not super creative like a De Bruyne, or as clever in possession like Bruno and Bernardo Silva, but that’s an unfair stick to beat him or anyone with. Tonali has the occasional sloppy pass in him, agreed.
We didn’t really settle on a style last season, and were sub par at maintaining simple possession to kill games or periods of the game where we didn’t have control. See how the better teams kill the game after our fast start (Man City are brilliant at this). But we haven’t doubled down on being transition monsters with high level intensity, regaining possession high up as the press was poor for most of the season.

When the ball progresses further forward, the ball isn’t sticking with our wingers or forward and they lose it easily, our high 8s and full backs are then out of position and we can be overran. Tonali gets us out of a lot of dangerous situations, but he can’t stop everything.

The other issue is the gk, and not being effective at keeping control at the back.

 

I’m confident the club are sorting out the gk situation, but seriously the club need 3 more effective players in the front 3, or for those players to hit a prolonged period of form and for the chemistry between them to improve. Last season they weren’t good as a collective, and I can’t think of many games in the premier league where you could genuinely say 2 of the front 3 had a good game together.

[mayubeproud]

Hypothetically, if they offer £55m+Gallagher+add-ons, I think I'll just take the money.

 

- I know Gallagher isn't perfect, but I just don't believe we're capable of signing someone better.

- At least we don't need to think about who to buy next. Again, I'm not confident that we're capable of doing some smart business.

- I don't think Tonali wants to stay, so just take the money and let him go.

- EH has long been rumoured to be keen on Gallagher. Although I'm in the Howe out camp, the club has made the decision so it makes sense to buy someone that EH likes.

[Pearljam10]

Sell him, and spend all the money + Elanga on Elliot Anderson. Then we don't have to think about strengthening the midfield for several years

 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:31 by Pearljam10

[KingArthur]

Just now, Pearljam10 said:

Sell him, and spend all the money + Elanga on Elliott Anderson. Then we don't have to think about strengthening the midfield for several years

Why would he come back?

[KingArthur]

2 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Hypothetically, if they offer £55m+Gallagher+add-ons, I think I'll just take the money.

 

- I know Gallagher isn't perfect, but I just don't believe we're capable of signing someone better.

- At least we don't need to think about who to buy next. Again, I'm not confident that we're capable of doing some smart business.

- I don't think Tonali wants to stay, so just take the money and let him go.

- EH has long been rumoured to be keen on Gallagher. Although I'm in the Howe out camp, the club has made the decision so it makes sense to buy someone that EH likes.

Gallagher would need to take a pay cut. Not happening. 

[RobsonsWonderland]

Stinks of someone's agent thinking they would walk into a big 4 team and that the clubs would pay what we want.

 

Now after rumours of man u, arsenal and the ilk, he is left with the only club who would pay a significant fee for his services.

 

A bit like Michael Owen coming to us when he really wanted better.

[healthyaddiction]

Just now, KingArthur said:

Why would he come back?

For obvious reasons.

[Andy84]

Just now, Pearljam10 said:

Sell him, and spend all the money + Elanga on Elliot Anderson. Then we don't have to think about strengthening the midfield for several years

 

 

 

Not when we need a rebuild. A first choice keeper CM and another winger are needed as an absolute minimum

[Pablo]

I love Elliot, but he’s at peak value and is overrated now. The asking prices are increasingly crazy as a knock on consequence of psr, and the financial muscle of the cartel who can pay those prices without any ramification. We need to buy him back in 2 years when he underwhelms, assuming the wages aren’t a problem. He will still be a good player when he isn’t starting for England or the cartel.

[Ben]

TBF signing Anderson back would really cheer me up 

[Superbmac]

2 hours ago, sanyi75 said:

I hope we don't have another bad transfer window like last summer. We haven't managed to replace Isak yet, but we've spent the money. Wissa and Woltemade were too expensive and haven't delivered the expected results yet. Ramsey is starting to improve, but he's not a quality step up either. Elanga has been a disappointment so far, it couldn't be a worse waste of money.

With a fair wind, Osula is our Isak replacement.

 

He’s still young and still improving.

 

He’s quick and is a decent finisher. He’s not at Isak’s level (yet) but Isak was a rare gem that we got at his peak.

[STM]

Its like people are mentioning us signing Anderson merely to wind me up. 

 

That ship has sailed. Hes likely about to sign for MC for 120m on 200k a week and even with Newcastle in his blood, he'd have to be the biggest moron alive to turn that move down.

 

Hes also England's best midfielder in a generation, yes even better than Declan Rice and its utterly heartbreaking. 

 

I still have nothing but pride for what the lad is about to achieve.

[The Prophet]

Pretty remarkable our academy has produced Anderson and Miley of late. Hopefully many more to come.

[Shearergol]

13 minutes ago, Superbmac said:

With a fair wind, Osula is our Isak replacement.

 

He’s still young and still improving.

 

He’s quick and is a decent finisher. He’s not at Isak’s level (yet) but Isak was a rare gem that we got at his peak.

You what?