KaKa Posted yesterday at 16:28 Share Posted yesterday at 16:28 Tonali came in and was played as an 8 in the right sided CM position, but struggled there, to the point he was dropped for Longstaff for a bit. He then came back in and eventually ended up in the 6 position where he offered really good recovery runs against transitions, and fortunately that worked well for the one season, and then it's not worked well since. I don't think the original intention was to even play him there, and now it just seems an awkward fit that's no longer functioning well. Bruno is now settled in the right sided 8 position and is getting goals and creating them, and so let's just go out and get a proper number 6 please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted yesterday at 16:28 Share Posted yesterday at 16:28 I think the way football is trending, players like Tonali are a premium. I can't disagree that technically he is somewhat limited, and at times his passing is a bit wayward but he is still fairly young and can achieve more. Some of his problems can be planned around and worked on, but he has athleticism and an 'engine' that can't be. There is a reason several teams want him and hopefully multiple make bids to ensure we get maximum value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted yesterday at 16:31 Share Posted yesterday at 16:31 Bergvall wants out, let’s have him as part of the deal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curva Sud Milano Posted yesterday at 16:33 Share Posted yesterday at 16:33 44 minutes ago, LFEE said: You do realise the reason he tried him in that position don’t you? I'm afraid your answer might turn into an own goal for Howe... I'd be more curious to know why Elliot Anderson has transformed into the excellent player he is after being anonymous at Newcastle, or what Howe had in mind when (I think vs West Ham) he put Tonali RB in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted yesterday at 16:39 Share Posted yesterday at 16:39 12 minutes ago, STM said: Yeah fair but its complicated. We know how good Botman can be but injuries etc. Burns age is the issue and the forward planning. Whenever hes at CB he never lets us down. Its LB that scares the life out everyone. There shouldn't be any worries if Burn has to start games IMO, he can still do it to a really good standard. Id like one more young CB but its way down the list. Looks like we have our 4 CBs for next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted yesterday at 16:40 Share Posted yesterday at 16:40 8 minutes ago, Vaj said: Bergvall wants out, let’s have him as part of the deal! 80m plus Bergval Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted yesterday at 16:42 Share Posted yesterday at 16:42 1 minute ago, Curva Sud Milano said: I'm afraid your answer might turn into an own goal for Howe... I'd be more curious to know why Elliot Anderson has transformed into the excellent player he is after being anonymous at Newcastle, or what Howe had in mind when (I think vs West Ham) he put Tonali RB in the second half. For you to reply… Because of game time and gaining experience. However he would still struggle to get into our three and when we’ve faced him he’s been poor and our midfield have dominated him by and large. Where did Forest finish this season? Where was he against Villa in the 2nd leg? Not disputing he’s a very good player but whether people care to admit or not he falls short of the 3 key attributes that Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton gave the team. Don’t recall Tonali playing RB for any length of time. Would have to revisit the game to give you a proper answer. I will add though the game was won comfortably quite early and there was absolutely nothing riding on it for us so wouldn’t read anything into it of note. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubrovnik Dubravka Posted yesterday at 16:42 Share Posted yesterday at 16:42 Surely Bergvall becomes part of negotiations... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted yesterday at 16:43 Share Posted yesterday at 16:43 19 minutes ago, STM said: Burn is our best CB. Bit weird including him in that. Strongly disagree but if he is our best CB, it highlights my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted yesterday at 16:44 Share Posted yesterday at 16:44 I don't see the fuss about Bergvall beyond him looking like a very mature (but not particularly great) player for his age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted yesterday at 16:44 Share Posted yesterday at 16:44 9 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said: I'm afraid your answer might turn into an own goal for Howe... I'd be more curious to know why Elliot Anderson has transformed into the excellent player he is after being anonymous at Newcastle, or what Howe had in mind when (I think vs West Ham) he put Tonali RB in the second half. He was used as an attacking midfielder/winger at Newcastle. He has flourished deeper at Nottingham. I see no problem there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted yesterday at 16:45 Share Posted yesterday at 16:45 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I don't see the fuss about Bergvall beyond him looking like a very mature (but not particularly great) player for his age. If we can - Camara and K Smit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted yesterday at 16:45 Share Posted yesterday at 16:45 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Vaj said: Bergvall wants out, let’s have him as part of the deal! Really?! Where have you seen that. That would be great if we could nick him off them. *Never mind. Just seen Ornstein's tweet. Edited yesterday at 16:48 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted yesterday at 16:49 Share Posted yesterday at 16:49 4 minutes ago, KingArthur said: 15 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said: I'm afraid your answer might turn into an own goal for Howe... I'd be more curious to know why Elliot Anderson has transformed into the excellent player he is after being anonymous at Newcastle, or what Howe had in mind when (I think vs West Ham) he put Tonali RB in the second half. He was used as an attacking midfielder/winger at Newcastle. He has flourished deeper at Nottingham. I see no problem there He was never a winger here. And he was far from anonymous. I swear people barely watch us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted yesterday at 16:50 Share Posted yesterday at 16:50 3 minutes ago, Mikky said: If we can - Camara and K Smit Would be astonished if we got anywhere near either like. Confidence is probably lower than it should be though, so hopefully we can pull something out of the bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted yesterday at 16:50 Share Posted yesterday at 16:50 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I don't see the fuss about Bergvall beyond him looking like a very mature (but not particularly great) player for his age. Yeah he’s still got a lot to prove, but I think he’s got a chance to step up. The bigger issue is that he and Gray become Club-Trained players for UEFA purposes if they stay with us next year, so he’s worth that bit more to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted yesterday at 16:53 Share Posted yesterday at 16:53 1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: He was never a winger here. And he was far from anonymous. I swear people barely watch us. He was used as a winger sometimes. He was mostly attacking midfielder and the problem was, as often stated here also, that he didn't score. New position worked better, just like with Joelinton. I don't know what you mean, but I have watched pretty much every single game for last 20 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted yesterday at 16:54 Share Posted yesterday at 16:54 2 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Yeah he’s still got a lot to prove, but I think he’s got a chance to step up. The bigger issue is that he and Gray become Club-Trained players for UEFA purposes if they stay with us next year, so he’s worth that bit more to us. Any word on how much you'd be asking for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted yesterday at 16:55 Share Posted yesterday at 16:55 I expect we’ve known Tonali is likely to leave for a while and have been talking to a preferred replacement for some time. That’s what a good transfer team would do anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curva Sud Milano Posted yesterday at 16:56 Share Posted yesterday at 16:56 11 minutes ago, LFEE said: For you to reply… Because of game time and gaining experience. However he would still struggle to get into our three and when we’ve faced him he’s been poor and our midfield have dominated him by and large. Where did Forest finish this season? Where was he against Villa in the 2nd leg? Not disputing he’s a very good player but whether people care to admit or not he falls short of the 3 key attributes that Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton gave the team. Don’t recall Tonali playing RB for any length of time. Would have to revisit the game to give you a proper answer. I will add though the game was won comfortably quite early and there was absolutely nothing riding on it for us so wouldn’t read anything into it of note. Against West Ham but in London, you were losing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted yesterday at 16:57 Share Posted yesterday at 16:57 Just now, KingArthur said: He was used as a winger sometimes. He was mostly attacking midfielder and the problem was, as often stated here also, that he didn't score. New position worked better, just like with Joelinton. I don't know what you mean, but I have watched pretty much every single game for last 20 years. Not specifically you. It's a running theme though. He was never started LW I'm fairly confident. He was the left side of midfield and he was asked to do the overlapping left side role a few times. We were definitely still finding out his best position that's true, but by the time he left he was imo clearly the successor to the left of the 3 in midfield role. I'd have been starting him instead of Joelinton that following season if he hadn't gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted yesterday at 17:04 Share Posted yesterday at 17:04 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Not specifically you. It's a running theme though. He was never started LW I'm fairly confident. He was the left side of midfield and he was asked to do the overlapping left side role a few times. We were definitely still finding out his best position that's true, but by the time he left he was imo clearly the successor to the left of the 3 in midfield role. I'd have been starting him instead of Joelinton that following season if he hadn't gone. edit. I agree that he was the victim of Joelinton's success in left of midfield 3. Quotes from his topic: Quote I genuinely think with his ability it’sa case of when not if he starts moving up the pecking order ahead of Murphy etc. Quote So he's behind Bruno, Joelinton, Willock, Shelvey & Longstaff in CM and ASM, Almiron, Fraser, Murphy and (presumably) Isak out wide. I get the point about the quality of training but I think keeping him around to be 6th choice CM/winger was daft and potentially detrimental to his development. Quote Should be starting on the left imo Quote he can't be far off starting, with the current injury situation and the decent impact he has made in short appearances. He surely can offer more than Murphy on the left Quote Because he played own the left when he came on and because of the position I sit in I saw a lot of him when he came on last night. Quote He tried to make a run through a fair few times but Manquillo didn’t have the speed or ability to play the pass to him. I’d love to see him with Tripper behind him. etc.. Edited yesterday at 17:06 by KingArthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted yesterday at 17:05 Share Posted yesterday at 17:05 3 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Not specifically you. It's a running theme though. He was never started LW I'm fairly confident. He was the left side of midfield and he was asked to do the overlapping left side role a few times. We were definitely still finding out his best position that's true, but by the time he left he was imo clearly the successor to the left of the 3 in midfield role. I'd have been starting him instead of Joelinton that following season if he hadn't gone. I don't think Anderson's ever produced an individual performance on par with Joelinton's best games, including for Forest. And prior to this season we were still seeing those performances from Joelinton quite often, in particular in the cup final. Would have been a big call to start him in that role ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted yesterday at 17:06 Share Posted yesterday at 17:06 Bergvall reminds me of a poor man's Frenkie de Jong. My only hesitation would be two ankle injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted yesterday at 17:09 Share Posted yesterday at 17:09 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Andy said: I don't think Anderson's ever produced an individual performance on par with Joelinton's best games, including for Forest. And prior to this season we were still seeing those performances from Joelinton quite often, in particular in the cup final. Would have been a big call to start him in that role ahead of him. I definitely thought we would be starting to see more of him in that left of the midfield 3 role based on what he was producing. He had the athleticism and ball winning ability and was getting much better on the ball. By the time he left I'm fairly sure Howe was playing him there pretty much exclusively for a little while when he got minutes. Might be misremembering. There are a lot of people that still don't think he was that good for us or is that good now. Didnt and don't see that myself. Edited yesterday at 17:09 by Super Duper Branko Strupar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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