NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Hudson]

13 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

I mean, it’s his career. He has one stab at it. He’ll want the best career he can achieve; reach the heights his potential deserves. And all that malarkey. 

Thing is, you can’t share the experiences he has shared with us, receive the adoration he has received from us, and not have a bond that goes way beyond any financial contract, transcends the winning of bits of metal and the meaning he probably attributes to them. 

We have, and by we I mean all associated with the club, been embroiled in something equivalent to being brothers in arms. Striving together against the odds. I don’t make the comparison lightly but it is the best comparison I can bring to mind. 

At the end of his career when he reflects upon what he has done with his talent. Considers the happiness that his football ability has brought him, what will give him the most satisfaction?
It may just be that chasing success, or even worse unnecessary additional financial security, creates a shadow over whatever comes next. A shadow which comes with the benefit of hindsight, the 20:20 rear view mirror perspective that you broke something, tarnished a beautiful period of your life and for what? That extra few million that you don’t know what to do with, those extra few medals that the team would probably have won anyway?

 

Leaving us and in difficult circumstances for whatever petty reasons seem crucial to him and his advisors now, will create hurt throughout all of us. ‘Hatred’ may be a manifestation of this hurt for some. I hope he takes a moment to consider whether the emotional cost potentially, eventually, to himself as well as teammates and fans, is worth the benefit he imagines. 
 

Sorry it was hurting my eyes and couldn’t read it.

 

😘

[The Prophet]

He's said we'll replace anyone leaving which implies we'll bring in at CF and a CM. We were already looking at a CB too.

 

If we can get those three in, we still look a bit short, but it will go a long way to repairing this mess of a window.

[gbandit]

The only positive I can take from things not being close is that Eddie is an elite bullshitter on incomings 

[NSG]

It clearly is about numbers and quality tbh.

 

In the last 6 months we’ve lost Almiron, Wilson, Kelly and Longstaff, from a squad which was already thin on the ground.

 

To have a squad capable of surviving the season to any sort of reasonable standard we need at least 4 in, and that’s before a potential Isak sale is considered.

 

[nufcjmc]

9 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yup, I thought the key bits in there were the bit about prices being high and the fact we have  multiple players across multiple positions that are being looked at.

 

I think it is likely we push right till the deadline, looking to make a move when fees come down for some of the options we're considering.

😂

[andycap]

He's replaced miggy. 

So need a better centrehalf than Kelly, a better centre mid than Longstaff, a better centre forward than Wilson. 

Along with a great centrehalf to battle the first team. 

So four atleast need to be signed before the end of the window. 

[Keegans Export]

53 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

He literally says we need depth in the squad in the quote 

Well in that case we should have no bother identifying players that will improve us because the depth is almost non-existent as it stands 🤷🏻‍♂️

[duo]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

Pretty much sounds like what we're all thinking. 

 

They'll keep grafting away until the deadline.

He needs help - the man can't do it all himself

[Harveys Barn]

Why can't we scout players like Milenkovich, Wissa (when Brentford bought him), Hujisen (a year ago), etc.

 

This is the only way to succeed in our position.

 

The model has to be:

- buy one elite player a year

- buy 5 players annually in the 10 mil zone each, like the examples above

- sell 2-3 of those per year

 

There's no excuse for having a poor scouting network in modern football.

 

The players are out there.

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Harveys Barn said:

Why can't we scout players like Milenkovich, Wissa (when Brentford bought him), Hujisen (a year ago), etc.

 

This is the only way to succeed in our position.

 

The model has to be:

- buy one elite player a year

- buy 5 players annually in the 10 mil zone each, like the examples above

- sell 2-3 of those per year

 

There's no excuse for having a poor scouting network in modern football.

 

The players are out there.

2 strands to this imo. 

 

1, our manager has a preference for players with premier league experience and club has a preference for younger player. The total of these preferences = expensive and sought after by the cartel whom we really can't compete with. 

 

2, it's much easier for clubs with zero ambition to take risk on these players than it is for us. 

[JonBez comesock]

4 minutes ago, Harveys Barn said:

Why can't we scout players like Milenkovich, Wissa (when Brentford bought him), Hujisen (a year ago), etc.

 

This is the only way to succeed in our position.

 

The model has to be:

- buy one elite player a year

- buy 5 players annually in the 10 mil zone each, like the examples above

- sell 2-3 of those per year

 

There's no excuse for having a poor scouting network in modern football.

 

The players are out there.

Yes I am sure across (world football) we can find 5 players to improve us and not have to spend a fortune 

 

Others do it , We need to spend £5-£10m on a world class / data system / scouting network and plan …then get to work on talent identification ‘globally’

[NUFC91]

1 hour ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

I mean, it’s his career. He has one stab at it. He’ll want the best career he can achieve; reach the heights his potential deserves. And all that malarkey. 
Thing is, you can’t share the experiences he has shared with us, receive the adoration he has received from us, and not have a bond that goes way beyond any financial contract, transcends the winning of bits of metal and the meaning he probably attributes to them. 
We have, and by we I mean all associated with the club, been embroiled in something equivalent to being brothers in arms. Striving together against the odds. I don’t make the comparison lightly but it is the best comparison I can bring to mind. 
At the end of his career when he reflects upon what he has done with his talent. Considers the happiness that his football ability has brought him, what will give him the most satisfaction?
It may just be that chasing success, or even worse unnecessary additional financial security, creates a shadow over whatever comes next. A shadow which comes with the benefit of hindsight, the 20:20 rear view mirror perspective that you broke something, tarnished a beautiful period of your life and for what? That extra few million that you don’t know what to do with, those extra few medals that the team would probably have won anyway?

Leaving us and in difficult circumstances for whatever petty reasons seem crucial to him and his advisors now, will create hurt throughout all of us. ‘Hatred’ may be a manifestation of this hurt for some. I hope he takes a moment to consider whether the emotional cost potentially, eventually, to himself as well as teammates and fans, is worth the benefit he imagines. 
 

 

Yes moving to Liverpool or a bigger and better club will give him more satisfaction, he will win more trophies and earn more money... don't get caught up in because he's love by us it wouldn't be the same at Liverpool for example, they would love him and sing his name.

 

It's our fault for not giving him a new contract...

 

 

But in general I don't get why our fans think we are any different to any other fans. Loads slagging Liverpool fans off for booing Trent yet we are exactly the same with our best player 

 

 

 

 

[nufc4eva]

21 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said:

Yes I am sure across (world football) we can find 5 players to improve us and not have to spend a fortune 

 

Others do it , We need to spend £5-£10m on a world class / data system / scouting network and plan …then get to work on talent identification ‘globally’

We probably do scout those players but I think we look to bring in players that can immediately improve us or are close to exploding. We have a higher bar than some of those teams because of our current 11

[Coffee_Johnny]

2 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

Yes moving to Liverpool or a bigger and better club will give him more satisfaction, he will win more trophies and earn more money... don't get caught up in because he's love by us it wouldn't be the same at Liverpool for example, they would love him and sing his name.

 

It's our fault for not giving him a new contract...

 

 

But in general I don't get why our fans think we are any different to any other fans. Loads slagging Liverpool fans off for booing Trent yet we are exactly the same with our best player 

 

 

 

 

I think you’re missing the point. But fair enough. 

[Harveys Barn]

15 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

We probably do scout those players but I think we look to bring in players that can immediately improve us or are close to exploding. We have a higher bar than some of those teams because of our current 11

Yeah, but we need to be able to multi-task.

 

Create two separate recruiting teams if need be. One is guided heavily by Howe and has an eye on the now.

 

The other is given $30 mil per year budget, and told to focus on making profit. Howe can then hand-pick the ones from this lot that he wants to keep.

[ponsaelius]

Just now, Harveys Barn said:

Yeah, but we need to be able to multi-task.

 

Create two separate recruiting teams if need be. One is guided heavily by Howe and has an eye on the now.

 

The other is given $30 mil per year budget, and told to focus on making profit. Howe can then hand-pick the ones from this lot that he wants to keep.

 

I think we've basically been doing that to be fair. Minteh, Cordero, Salia, Park etc. Just at the moment the second group is at a much lower pricepoint because we need money for the first team.

[GallowgatePigeon]

2 hours ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

I mean, it’s his career. He has one stab at it. He’ll want the best career he can achieve; reach the heights his potential deserves. And all that malarkey. 
Thing is, you can’t share the experiences he has shared with us, receive the adoration he has received from us, and not have a bond that goes way beyond any financial contract, transcends the winning of bits of metal and the meaning he probably attributes to them. 
We have, and by we I mean all associated with the club, been embroiled in something equivalent to being brothers in arms. Striving together against the odds. I don’t make the comparison lightly but it is the best comparison I can bring to mind. 
At the end of his career when he reflects upon what he has done with his talent. Considers the happiness that his football ability has brought him, what will give him the most satisfaction?
It may just be that chasing success, or even worse unnecessary additional financial security, creates a shadow over whatever comes next. A shadow which comes with the benefit of hindsight, the 20:20 rear view mirror perspective that you broke something, tarnished a beautiful period of your life and for what? That extra few million that you don’t know what to do with, those extra few medals that the team would probably have won anyway?

Leaving us and in difficult circumstances for whatever petty reasons seem crucial to him and his advisors now, will create hurt throughout all of us. ‘Hatred’ may be a manifestation of this hurt for some. I hope he takes a moment to consider whether the emotional cost potentially, eventually, to himself as well as teammates and fans, is worth the benefit he imagines. 
 

 

Great post, I get the point you're trying to make, it resonates with every football fan who loves their club. But I think you're underestimating the appeal of doubling your money and moving to a club way above us in the food chain who are in the hunt for the PL & CL every year. He might feel like he's 'completed Newcastle'. He scored what turned out to be the winning goal which finnaly brought us silverware and was instrumental in getting us over the line for the CL. 

But no getting away from it, the optics are terrible and the media frenzy this has instigated has soured any sentiment I once had for him. I don't care if he's world class or not, he can't play for us again.

[KennyUtd]

I keep reading that Howe wants Prem league experienced players but our most valuable, talented players had none when we bought them. There's loads of players out there. I'm sure our scouting network have identified plenty. 

[Groundhog63]

3 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

I keep reading that Howe wants Prem league experienced players but our most valuable, talented players had none when we bought them. There's loads of players out there. I'm sure our scouting network have identified plenty. 

There's "keep reading" and "believing what you read" 

 

 

The trick's knowing the difference.

[Menace]

Considering the players we've missed out on this summer, I don't think that's far from the truth personally 

[joeyt]

Just now, Menace said:

Considering the players we've missed out on this summer, I don't think that's far from the truth personally 

 

Out of interest which players do you think we've missed out on?

 

Ones that haven't chosen Chelsea, City or Liverpool instead of us

[Menace]

Let me rephrase, the transfer targets we had are mostly all with Prem experience

[timeEd32]

Eddie’s Isak quotes provide some comfort but it also feels like we’re in a very tricky spot to do any business until that has a resolution.

[Ben]

Are prices going up or are we just to low with starting bids 

[Pilko]

Bored of hearing how tough prices are, how tough the market is tbh. We know that, we knew that last summer, so to go around lowballing bids for in-demand players we absolutely cannot be surprised that we've only got one in.