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11 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

It’ll be horrific if the club spend 110 million on Wissa and Larsen like. In the world of PSR too ffs

Would be a lot worse if we finish 10th as to build our profile, especially from a commercial perspective we need to appear a progressive club who is part of the "Big 6".  It will take several years, we cant afford a poor season like Man United or Chelsea as they are established.  Consistency is the key, year on year.  Soon we won't be hamstrung by PSR, but we are now.

 

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11 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

It’ll be horrific if the club spend 110 million on Wissa and Larsen like. In the world of PSR too ffs

Should we get either of them and let's say Larsen bangs in 20 goals for us this season it will be proven he can do it in the PL and if need be, we could cash in and get a good price for him possibly recover a lot of the wissa cash.

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2 hours ago, Shak said:

I’d be a bit disappointed with JSL and Wissa as the Isak replacements, honestly.

 

Both are really good additions individually but ideally I would like a big chunk of the Isak money to be spent on a young striker with massive potential to go alongside a trusted CF.

 

That said, it’s a bi-product of the shite situation we’ve been put in where we may have to sell Isak at a time when we haven’t got the ideal young prospect lined up.

 

I think they’d do more than decently for a couple of years though, at which point we maybe move Wissa on and get a shiny new young certified ballbagman in to replace him, having spent lots on building up the first team and squad in the meantime.

Once we get a couple of overpriced strikers in and Sociodad get their money,there won't be anything left.

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2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

I have to be honest Yorkie, I don't think you're going to accept the answer if you're even asking that question in the first place. 

 

Regardless of whoever or whatever any of us choose to blame for our situation, the situation is that we'd be looking at spending the total profit from our star striker on two players who potentially replace his goals in the aggregate, with no further improvements to the squad or first XI. 

 

Call me ungrateful, but I (and I believe Howe, based on how far down the list of players we are) would have expected those funds to be spent on both higher quality and higher quantity than that.

 

One of the players is Howe's (very public) 7th or 8th choice while still being not far from the same price as our first few choices due to the time left in the window, and the other is an expensive replacement for a player we've known we've needed to replace for years. Again, regardless of who or what you blame, the situation we find ourselves in means that we're not only being bent over a barrell but bent over a barrell for players who are either nowhere near the level we wanted, or a money pit that we'll get at most 4 or so years out of.

 

By comparison, Spurs and Liverpool basically rebooted into the clubs that they are now directly off the back of their golden goose sales.

 

The matter of "does Larsen + Wissa represent good value" isn't something we necessarily have polarising views on, in the same way we apparently do on the matter of "just how much is NUFC to blame for their situation." Just to set the context...

 

That said, I'd be quite excited by that pair of signings and would have seriously renewed optimism for the season. Plus I'm totally on board with the general principle that we need to invest our finances in proven PL talent. Those two players clearly aren't our first choices but they're really good.

 

Regarding being able to re-tool our squads with Isak money, the accounting these days isn't as simple as 'net spend', is it? I don't want to engage in a mind-numbing accounting discussion because I have nothing to offer there... but, given how Eddie Howe has talked endlessly about how PSR dictates literally everything we do (something you disagree with); if he thinks the numbers work then I'll trust his view.

 

Also, the Bale golden goose was in a completely different market, where competent PL players weren't going for £30/40/50m, and a completely different financial context, where pricey 'misses' weren't the death knell to your future planning they are now. I think you can probably apply those differences to Coutinho as well tbh.

 

Again, if a PSR experts wants to explain to me why those signings would be a disaster I'll listen, but I'm not convinced. 

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5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

The matter of "does Larsen + Wissa represent good value" isn't something we necessarily have polarising views on, in the same way we apparently do on the matter of "just how much is NUFC to blame for their situation." Just to set the context...

 

That said, I'd be quite excited by that pair of signings and would have seriously renewed optimism for the season. Plus I'm totally on board with the general principle that we need to invest our finances in proven PL talent. Those two players clearly aren't our first choices but they're really good.

 

Regarding being able to re-tool our squads with Isak money, the accounting these days isn't as simple as 'net spend', is it? I don't want to engage in a mind-numbing accounting discussion because I have nothing to offer there... but, given how Eddie Howe has talked endlessly about how PSR dictates literally everything we do (something you disagree with); if he thinks the numbers work then I'll trust his view.

 

Also, the Bale golden goose was in a completely different market, where competent PL players weren't going for £30/40/50m, and a completely different financial context, where pricey 'misses' weren't the death knell to your future planning they are now. I think you can probably apply those differences to Coutinho as well tbh.

 

Again, if a PSR experts wants to explain to me why those signings would be a disaster I'll listen, but I'm not convinced. 

 

They probably wouldn't be on that JSL is young enough that we'd be able to make a small book profit in a couple of years assuming he retains a mid teens goal record.

 

Wissa we'd do well to break even unless there is a sale to Saudi, bit probably looking at either him stocking around for 4 years as backup or moving him on for a small loss.

 

All dwarfed if we get 3 years of CL qualification.

 

On the spurs point, probably is true that they used the Bale and Kane cash to become the club they are today. But that's because they bought (in the main, and both times) shite with the cash. A lot of players but shite ones.

 

Using it for 2-3 players who improve the squad is a more sensible approach then looking for 4-5 gambles

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10 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

The matter of "does Larsen + Wissa represent good value" isn't something we necessarily have polarising views on, in the same way we apparently do on the matter of "just how much is NUFC to blame for their situation." Just to set the context...

 

That said, I'd be quite excited by that pair of signings and would have seriously renewed optimism for the season. Plus I'm totally on board with the general principle that we need to invest our finances in proven PL talent. Those two players clearly aren't our first choices but they're really good.

 

Regarding being able to re-tool our squads with Isak money, the accounting these days isn't as simple as 'net spend', is it? I don't want to engage in a mind-numbing accounting discussion because I have nothing to offer there... but, given how Eddie Howe has talked endlessly about how PSR dictates literally everything we do (something you disagree with); if he thinks the numbers work then I'll trust his view.

 

Also, the Bale golden goose was in a completely different market, where competent PL players weren't going for £30/40/50m, and a completely different financial context, where pricey 'misses' weren't the death knell to your future planning they are now. I think you can probably apply those differences to Coutinho as well tbh.

 

Again, if a PSR experts wants to explain to me why those signings would be a disaster I'll listen, but I'm not convinced. 

 

 

There's nothing 'disaster' about them. They'll probably score more than the 23 goals that last seasons pairing managed.

 

People just like to moan.

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Just now, lovejoy said:

 

 

There's nothing 'disaster' about them. They'll probably score more than the 23 goals that last seasons pairing managed.

 

People just like to moan.

 

Tbf I don't wanna put words in KI's mouth as he didn't say disaster, just that it would be terrible business. I assume there's a distinction there anyway. :lol:

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Today a decent Premier League player with a bit of upside who still has the better part of their career ahead of them seems guaranteed to cost you at least £35-40 million. You then start to creep up in value depending on their productivity or attacking flair, with strikers at a premium. I'm not surprised that Larsen is going to cost something like £60 million if we do manage to get him, especially since it's late in the transfer window, we are desperate and Wolves only signed him to a permanent deal earlier in the summer.

 

I don't think we've been especially proactive or imaginative in the transfer market when it comes to replacing Wilson or Isak, but at this point if we were to end up with two from Larsen then Isak, Wissa or Jackson I think we'll have made a fair job from a bad situation. It would give us a nice blend of options, Larsen isn't going to miss time through the Africa Cup of Nations and I reckon Howe would be pretty pleased to have a target man who he could build around even as a temporary fix or fallback.

 

The difference between a 12-16 goal Premier League striker and someone who can reliably get you 20-plus goals seems to be the difference between labels like 'decent' or 'average' and 'world class'. Since Isak arrived at the club we have scored 68, 85 and 68 league goals so even at his most prolific and our least prolific he's scored no more than a third of our total in a given season. It is a team game and if he goes or proves otherwise unavailable, ideally you make up the numbers by having two forwards who can rotate or make an impact from the bench while also playing in the wingers and midfielders. On the other hand our wingers have produced stellar numbers in terms of goals and assists playing alongside Isak, so even if he's not the best at pressing or holding up the ball his movement and finishing seems to have helped everyone out.

 

As always it's fine margins. Our moves for Larsen and Wissa seem far from guaranteed and if we end the summer with only one striker it will feel like an unmitigated disaster.

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