NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Mills and Boon]

8 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

I’m not sure how we stop leaks from the player side. Muñoz and agent were clearly very keen for it to all be out there.

 

I don't think they would be leaking to Queasy Ryder, that's more likely to be the club innit? Although in this day and age it'd be easy enough for them to contact him I suppose 

[r0cafella]

18 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Thinking of the Isak and Tonali deals and how they surprised literally everyone and I wonder if we don’t have anyone left at the club capable of managing the media as deftly as we did at that time. Every single one of our moves feels telegraphed well in advance.

I don't think it's the expertise, I think the vision and the project we were selling then isn't what we are selling now. 

 

People wanted in on the ground floor at a city like project. 5 years on it looks as if we are drifting. 

 

Another factor is football finances were wrecked coming out of COVID, but revenues have no recovered and the rules are even more cartel friendly. 

[Sidg]

PROVIDED that Douglas update is even halfway true, I hate it. Surely the shortlist of targets should be numbered. You'd hope that's the case and might well be. Not as if Douglas has got owt right in forever. But we should have at least a firm #2 choice in each position. Otherwise, we're weighing up the positives and negatives of each option, which is precisely what the summits and shit are for. 

[KaKa]

53 minutes ago, QBG said:

"Considering" moves for Fernandez-Pardo and Abde Ezzalzouli according to Douglas.

 

Have made enquiries on Fernandez-Pardo already but Villa also interested.

 

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-victor-munoz-transfer-targets-4488211?ITO=newsnow

 

Every time they talk about alternative's we are looking at it's "nothing is imminent" and "there's lots of competition" 

 

This all just reads like we're fixing to get embarrassed all over again.

 

You see when they club spoke about getting things done early and having done a lot of groundwork leading up to the window, I would have thought by this point they'd have zeroed in on the deals that they were certain they could progress with quickly because they were happy to offer close enough to what clubs were asking, and they had got strong indications from the player side that they were eager to join Newcastle. No extensive haggling at this point and no having to convince the player and have to worry about other teams now getting involved.

 

Hopefully this information now coming out is just misdirection while they close deals that are imminent, otherwise it's for sure going to be another long summer.

[Stuy_O]

And all this carry on to fill one position when we need about 5 or 6 in addition. 

[Wallace]

That Fernandez-Pardo is on Liverpool’s short list if they don’t get Diomande so can’t see any movement on that one for a while until Liverpool have filled that position.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Wallace said:

That Fernandez-Pardo is on Liverpool’s short list if they don’t get Diomande so can’t see any movement on that one for a while until Liverpool have filled that position.

Rules are made for that lot so wouldn't at all be shocked if they ended up with Munoz, Diomande and Pardo. 

[Shearergol]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Rules are made for that lot so wouldn't at all be shocked if they ended up with Munoz, Diomande and Pardo. 

 

The beautiful game

[B-more Mag]

I need a saga. What's the saga? It's Songs for the Deaf the Newcastle transfer window. You can't even hear be excited by it.

 

  

[Holmesy]

Lamine Camara is apparently on their radar as well so I imagine we'd see the same scenario play out again if we made our move

[QBG]

41 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Every time they talk about alternative's we are looking at it's "nothing is imminent" and "there's lots of competition" 

 

This all just reads like we're fixing to get embarrassed all over again.

 

You see when they club spoke about getting things done early and having done a lot of groundwork leading up to the window, I would have thought by this point they'd have zeroed in on the deals that they were certain they could progress with quickly because they were happy to offer close enough to what clubs were asking, and they had got strong indications from the player side that they were eager to join Newcastle. No extensive haggling at this point and no having to convince the player and have to worry about other teams now getting involved.

 

Hopefully this information now coming out is just misdirection while they close deals that are imminent, otherwise it's for sure going to be another long summer.

 

Yeah, broadly agree with this. I was hopeful after they got two extensions sorted, sold Gordon and signed a keeper in short order, but it's all starting to feel depressingly familiar.

 

Ultimately, I'll still show up and support whoever they sign as it's a still a damn sight better than what we were dealing with under previous ownership, but it would be nice if they could get a deal done to lift the mood.

[gbandit]

24 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

And all this carry on to fill one position when we need about 5 or 6 in addition. 

Perhaps I’m giving undue credit but surely we’re not approaching this window like last summer’s. I’m sure the inquest identified that trying to sign players in a sequence, whereby we wouldn’t begin proper negotiations until another position was filled, was a disaster 

[STM]

1 minute ago, gbandit said:

Perhaps I’m giving undue credit but surely we’re not approaching this window like last summer’s. I’m sure the inquest identified that trying to sign players in a sequence, whereby we wouldn’t begin proper negotiations until another position was filled, was a disaster 

 

Im fairly sure its already been noted that Wilson can work on multiple deals. TBF we were working on the munoz deal while signing the goalkeeper.

 

Its the silence people cant bare, until its interrupted by disappointment. 

 

Nobody should be paying any notice to journalist speak "considering" etc, they are merely words used because they dont actually know whats going on.

[SAK]

Don’t understand what there is to consider regarding putting in a bid, either you like/ don’t like the player.

 

The logic seems pretty simple to me:

 

-Do we like and want the player? Yes, move to next step.

-Does the player want to join and can we pay what he and his agent want? Yes, move to next step, no, find alternative player.

-Will his club sell and can we pay what they want? Yes, move to next step, no, find alternative player.

-Sign player.

 

Edit: A lot of these steps could have been done before the season ended like others have stated. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 13:47 by SAK

[STM]

Being a DOF is so easy. 

 

Look BOSH

 

Bid BOSH

 

Sign BOSH 

 

Easy peasy

[The Prophet]

I wouldn't panic about anything Douglas has written. His articles are pure fluff.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, SAK said:

Don’t understand what there is to consider regarding putting in a bid, either you like/ don’t like the player.

 

The logic seems pretty simple to me:

 

-Do we like and want the player? Yes, move to next step.

-Does the player want to join and can we pay what he and his agent want? Yes, move to next step, no, find alternative player.

-Will his club sell and can we pay what they want? Yes, move to next step, no, find alternative player.

-Sign player.

My gut feeling is financial matters have to be run through Riyadh which I know to many will feel totally stupid but I imagine this is partly down to the massive capital investments they to keep making as well. 

 

This sounds very process driven. 

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

My gut feeling is financial matters have to be run through Riyadh which I know to many will feel totally stupid but I imagine this is partly down to the massive capital investments they to keep making as well. 

 

This sounds very process driven. 

 

 

That just means they haven't delegated properly tbh. All huge businesses need someone able to make decision quickly when needed. Otherwise what's the point in having a CEO and DOF?

 

Whoever they have sitting in Riyadh might not have any idea about the football world and how it works. 

[SAK]

Just now, STM said:

Being a DOF is so easy. 

 

Look BOSH

 

Bid BOSH

 

Sign BOSH 

 

Easy peasy

Not suggesting that but from the outside it looks like we wait for the season to finish and then start talks when a lot of this can be done during the season. 
 

We get gazzumped and strung along but we can gauge a players interest by offering the price instead of haggling over small amounts and then saying here sign the contract. If we forced the issue at least we wouldn’t be strung along or just maybe with a bit of jeopardy in play the player may take the deal that’s in front of them rather than risk us walking away.

[Holmesy]

It's obviously not as easy to do deals as we think it is from the outside looking in but it also doesn't take a genius to work out that we're not exactly a crack unit.
God knows what the answer is but we do seem squeeky clean for a club owned by a Sovereign Wealth Fund. Maybe we need to get better at the dark arts ie. bribing the right people

[STM]

4 minutes ago, SAK said:

Not suggesting that but from the outside it looks like we wait for the season to finish and then start talks when a lot of this can be done during the season. 
 

We get gazzumped and strung along but we can gauge a players interest by offering the price instead of haggling over small amounts and then saying here sign the contract. If we forced the issue at least we wouldn’t be strung along or just maybe with a bit of jeopardy in play the player may take the deal that’s in front of them rather than risk us walking away.

 

Alot of theoreticals and supposition though. How do you know who we have been talking to throughout the season?

 

Its been widely reported that weve already talked to Fernandez-Pardos camp, for example.

 

As far as we are aware, weve agreed deals with 2 players and signed 1.

 

The reality is that we dont know the full facts, we dont know exactly what our processes are, we only see the outcome.

 

The outcome last year was a disaster and so far this year weve been shit on by Munoz but again, there's no real evidence we did anything wrong.

 

If by the end of the window we havent got the correct players in, ill be standing side by side to criticise the club but even then, we won't truly know the how's, whys and wherefors, because they are kept in house.

 

When Mark Douglas says newcastle are "considering" a move for Fernandez-Pardo, he doesnt mean that Wilson is sitting at a desk with his finger to his chin contemplating life. It means that Mark Douglas knows hes a player we have looked at in the past and is someone we might go for.

 

Ill be honest, if Wilson isn't spending most hours of the day on his phone/laptop talking to various people, ill be shocked.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

18 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

My gut feeling is financial matters have to be run through Riyadh which I know to many will feel totally stupid but I imagine this is partly down to the massive capital investments they to keep making as well. 

 

This sounds very process driven. 

 

If they want to control the spending and profile then they should just give parameters that the club can work to - total budget, max per player,age profile etc.

 

Anything outside of these rightly gets flagged for consideration, if they fit the parameters no need, crack on Willy

[STM]

Every time we bid or crunch numbers, we will likely have to have a business plan of how it looks in black and white, costs year on year etc. Even just a ball park. Im not saying it cant be done quickly but its not like a fucking auction, where you shout numbers down the phone.

 

Ok Chelsea might do that. 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

If they want to control the spending and profile then they should just give parameters that the club can work to - total budget, max per player,age profile etc.

 

Anything outside of these rightly gets flagged for consideration, if they fit the parameters no need, crack on Willy

I mean my post is an assumption I can't say with certainty this is how we operate but it wouldn't surprise me. 

 

I wouldn't at all be shocked to here every signing is a business case this would make sense from a business point of view particularly in light of last summer. 

[Maggies]

Purchase of Leazes Terrace

Nickson leaving

Front of shirt sponsor

Munoz not signing

 

All surprises. Please don’t get caught up with “ITKs” when their sole business model is to drive engagement and get paid.

 

We can go back to Carlos, Ekitike, Botman in Jan after the takeover. Even Van de Beek going to Everton as didn’t fancy a relegation scrap.

 

Madison, Ekitike (again), Trafford (x2), Szlobosai and probably loads of others we have missed out on.

 

Let’s judge the success of the transfer window by the team that starts against Liverpool. You need a thick skin judging day by day as it’s going to be a rollercoaster.