NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Coffee_Johnny]

13 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We seem to be targeting players who are hyped up and of a profile whereby other suitors will be ahead of us. 

Same questions, really though.  ‘Top Clubs after best players’ shocker! 
It would be great to find some under the radar, but can’t be that many around in this information-rich age. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

Just taking the names Luke went through:

 

- they are almost all in the PL so they are going to cost more, already be on higher wages, and have more competition 

- I question how we didn’t already know certain things that have come out: Pedro wanting London, Mbuemo wanting over £200k a week (an amount we haven’t yet given our superstar striker), Burnley getting promoted was always going to allow them to ask for more, etc

- All that is before considering where we sit in the pecking order and the likelihood of other clubs wants these players 

 

I understand why we want proven PL players and I’m not advocating for buying a bunch of £10m prospects and hoping for the best. The prices around Europe seem to also be high but there is likely more negotiating room and wages are far less likely to be a problem.
 

I mostly wish we’d fully lean into our single greatest asset, which is our manager’s ability to get the most out of a player and happens to fit perfectly with our current financial position.

The other side of this is, if these are the managers targets we have to try and get them. Eddie does deserve his targets obviously within reason. 

 

It feels like we are exhausting those primary targets and I'm hoping we have some back up targets. The club has to have known that getting those players we pitched for would be an uphill battle. 

[The Prophet]

Based on Eddie's post-Celtic commentary, he'd left everything in the hands of Mitchell. He'd found out he'd resigned when he was on holiday and an ad-hoc transfer team was put together from there.

 

It's not all on Mitchell though, there should be a contingency plan for such an event.

[Ben]

Time for PIF to increase our turnover

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Based on Eddie's post-Celtic commentary, he'd left everything in the hands of Mitchell. He'd found out he'd resigned when he was on holiday and an ad-hoc transfer team was put together from there.

 

It's not all on Mitchell though, there should be a contingency plan for such an event.

So what do we infer from this? Mitchell joined on a one year contract? His contract had an extremely short notice period? 

 

It just doesn't add up

[KaKa]

Better scouting and recruitment from other markets allows for lower transfer fees and wages.

 

Steve Nickson is very experienced and has shown that he has a good knowledge of players across Europe and even South America.

 

If we are not able to pay transfer fees and match wages for priority targets due to the competition, we have to lean on Nickson and his team.

 

If come the end of the window we have failed to do this and end up short, then the club will deserve all the flak that comes their way. It will also be a terrible look for Howe in particular, and he will have invited a lot of pressure on himself.

 

All this complaining about the cartel clubs isn't going to be acceptable for me. The club is attractive enough to get players good enough to compete, if we widen our scope for player recruitment.

 

Let's see if they make that pivot as the next step now.

[timeEd32]

Just now, r0cafella said:

The other side of this is, if these are the managers targets we have to try and get them. Eddie does deserve his targets obviously within reason. 

 

It feels like we are exhausting those primary targets and I'm hoping we have some back up targets. The club has to have known that getting those players we pitched for would be an uphill battle. 

Yeah, that’s fair and I’m conscious of us not experiencing the window in the way it actually happens. Maybe Mbuemo didn’t want £200k until Man United made their interest clear and maybe we moved on from some of these players much faster than it seemed in the press.
 

 I’m mostly frustrated that we continue to fail at putting the right pieces around Eddie.

[McCormick]

Can someone please post the article? My usual paywall buster is blocked apparently.

[JT24]

Just now, McCormick said:

Can someone please post the article? My usual paywall buster is blocked apparently.

https://archive.ph/TGOGd

[timeEd32]

1 minute ago, McCormick said:

Can someone please post the article? My usual paywall buster is blocked apparently.

Archive link is on the previous page.

[McCormick]

Cheers!

[et tu brute]

9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

So what do we infer from this? Mitchell joined on a one year contract? His contract had an extremely short notice period? 

 

It just doesn't add up

It was announced on the 27th May, less than two days after the Everton game and the meeting with the Chairman. I still think it was agreed at that meeting. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

It was announced on the 27th May, less than two days after the Everton game and the meeting with the Chairman. I still think it was agreed at that meeting. 

Yeah it probably was given nobody was seemingly expecting it, but this doesn't answer my question. He left because his contract was up? We only gave him a year?  He didn't have a notice period? It's funny how it some quarters this is all Mitchell's fault yet so many questions are to be asked about it. 

 

(Im not defending Mitchell btw) I just don't buy the stated reason he left/ was binned. 

[et tu brute]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Yeah it probably was given nobody was seemingly expecting it, but this doesn't answer my question. He left because his contract was up? We only gave him a year?  He didn't have a notice period? It's funny how it some quarters this is all Mitchell's fault yet so many questions are to be asked about it. 

 

(Im not defending Mitchell btw) I just don't buy the stated reason he left/ was binned. 

Yeah totally agree, it will come out in the wash at some point 

[r0cafella]

10 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Yeah, that’s fair and I’m conscious of us not experiencing the window in the way it actually happens. Maybe Mbuemo didn’t want £200k until Man United made their interest clear and maybe we moved on from some of these players much faster than it seemed in the press.
 

 I’m mostly frustrated that we continue to fail at putting the right pieces around Eddie.

I dont know what to make of it ed. I look at the players we've chased and they all look like the profile of player Eddie likes (nothing wrong with that for those folk who will take offence) this begs the question what more could we have done? 

 

Now given the nature of the targets and fees banded around, they all kinda look like the type of signings Mitchell described as not fit for purposes. 

 

So obviously we speak about Eddie not being supported but on the face of it, these are likely his targets and also profile in a manner which the now departed SD called not fit for purposes. 

 

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist...

[Scoot]

Not a lot in that article that we didnt already know but Edwards is right in what he says. 

 

Hopefully we start looking for up and coming players who are unproven in the Premier league again, like we started out doing.

 

A signing will settle everyone down a bit, but until that happens, things won't change.

[Paully]

http://archive.today/4Lneu

[tarie4]

17 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Just taking the names Luke went through:

 

- they are almost all in the PL so they are going to cost more, already be on higher wages, and have more competition 

- I question how we didn’t already know certain things that have come out: Pedro wanting London, Mbuemo wanting over £200k a week (an amount we haven’t yet given our superstar striker), Burnley getting promoted was always going to allow them to ask for more, etc

- All that is before considering where we sit in the pecking order and the likelihood of other clubs wants these players 

 

I understand why we want proven PL players and I’m not advocating for buying a bunch of £10m prospects and hoping for the best. The prices around Europe seem to also be high but there is likely more negotiating room and wages are far less likely to be a problem.
 

I mostly wish we’d fully lean into our single greatest asset, which is our manager’s ability to get the most out of a player and happens to fit perfectly with our current financial position.

Good post, But, we also gotta remember that we probably wouldn't have gotten Bruno, Isak, Botman, and Tonali this summer if they were up for grabs. Our success with these guys has other clubs paying attention. That's what we're seeing in the market right now. I reckon most fans don't get it. Arsenal were after Bruno before we even got him. Liverpool wanted Isak, but Klopp went for Nunez, and Arsenal wanted him too. They probably would've gone for those guys this summer since we were interested. We're victims of our own success, basically.

 

The transfer strategy's been the same, I reckon. It's just that the big clubs jump in when we make a move. JP and Ekitike are perfect examples. We'd have signed one of them, like, 2 or 3 summers ago, I reckon. 

 

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Paully said:

http://archive.today/4Lneu

 

Is that the article about Ryan Giggs?

[geordiekris]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Better scouting and recruitment from other markets allows for lower transfer fees and wages.

 

Steve Nickson is very experienced and has shown that he has a good knowledge of players across Europe and even South America.

 

If we are not able to pay transfer fees and match wages for priority targets due to the competition, we have to lean on Nickson and his team.

 

If come the end of the window we have failed to do this and end up short, then the club will deserve all the flak that comes their way. It will also be a terrible look for Howe in particular, and he will have invited a lot of pressure on himself.

 

All this complaining about the cartel clubs isn't going to be acceptable for me. The club is attractive enough to get players good enough to compete, if we widen our scope for player recruitment.

 

Let's see if they make that pivot as the next step now.

We seem to shop in the market of young academy projects and then elite players that are £50M +. 
 

There's a big gap in between that we are currently neglecting. 

[Rich]

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Newcastle had a deal worth £20m in place to sign the England Under-21 international, only for the plug to be pulled shortly after Paul Mitchell was appointed as sporting director 12 months ago.

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[r0cafella]

Just now, Rich said:

MITCHEEELLLLLLLLLLLL

We blaming Mitchell for that? 40m of goal keeper in one window where the other signing is Orsula would have been a choice 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Surely they just access Mitchell’s emails and see what players he was monitoring/ had on his list and then approach the agents and teams of those players, which they also like. 
 

I can’t believe they have had 6 months to prepare and still ballsed it up. 

[KingArthur]

7 minutes ago, Scoot said:

Not a lot in that article that we didnt already know but Edwards is right in what he says. 

 

Hopefully we start looking for up and coming players who are unproven in the Premier league again, like we started out doing.

 

A signing will settle everyone down a bit, but until that happens, things won't change.

This buy from the Premier league - system has not really worked.

[Rich]

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However, Mitchell, who left the club last month, decided not to open those talks as Isak had more than three years left on his current deal and the club’s PSR position made it difficult.

MITCHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL