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9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah I hear you man, I'm just not convinced it's going to be the game changer we hope. We need PIF to do a lot of heavy lifting if they wish to compete with the cartel and I'm just not seeing that as realistic at this stage. If it was why have they been phoning it? And they've been phoning it In for a long time now. 4 years to find a bit of grass to build a training ground and they still haven't found a bit of grass? 

 

Yeah again I agree, we've not made any headway in training facilities and obviously new stadium plans. But again I put that down to boots on the ground leadership, its clear pif want to own us from a distance like with any of their other vessels but that's not possible without functioning leadership which we've painfully discovered.

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Yeah again I agree, we've not made any headway in training facilities and obviously new stadium plans. But again I put that down to boots on the ground leadership, its clear pif want to own us from a distance like with any of their other vessels but that's not possible without functioning leadership which we've painfully discovered.

Yeah it's definitely an unknown as we did have leadership in place until recently and still nothing has been done. That being said, the training ground is just an example of things slipping. If we want to challenge them things cannot slip as the gap is huge. 

 

Multiple issues exist and if a new CEO is to be successful he's going to have  to mobilise PIF and quickly, it will require levels of engagement from them which to be frank we haven't seen and I don't see any reason why this would change. 

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1 minute ago, gdm said:

I wonder what joy today brings 


2-1 defeat, Howe post match media duties saying he’s unsure if Isak will be available for Villa game and he hopes they can get a new signing before then, but club will continue to work hard up to deadline. 

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49 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah it's definitely an unknown as we did have leadership in place until recently and still nothing has been done. That being said, the training ground is just an example of things slipping. If we want to challenge them things cannot slip as the gap is huge. 

 

Multiple issues exist and if a new CEO is to be successful he's going to have  to mobilise PIF and quickly, it will require levels of engagement from them which to be frank we haven't seen and I don't see any reason why this would change. 

 

As @AyeDubbleYoo says, we may not have heard any progress but that doesnt necessarily mean we haven't made any, but I also agree that we need to be quicker with these things and maybe they've been stunted with Eales' condition. I stick by my opinion that the middle management is where the disconnect is and once that's sorted, progress will accelerate but I guess only time will tell.

 

It's been a rough couple of months and it's easy to lose sight of how far we've come already and be dispirited by our current malaise, however I do believe lessons have been learnt the hard way. This summer has been painful and was completely avoidable, boardroom chaos has exacerbated that and I don't think it'll happen again. I get that it's hard to form any kind of positivity from this but the low will only make the high so much better when we come back stronger :thup:

 

 

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r0cafella

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3 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

 

As @AyeDubbleYoo says, we may not have heard any progress but that doesnt necessarily mean we haven't made any, but I also agree that we need to be quicker with these things and maybe they've been stunted with Eales' condition. I stick by my opinion that the middle management is where the disconnect is and once that's sorted, progress will accelerate but I guess only time will tell.

 

It's been a rough couple of months and it's easy to lose sight of how far we've come already and be dispirited by our current malaise, however I do believe lessons have been learnt the hard way. This summer has been painful and was completely avoidable, boardroom chaos has exacerbated that and I don't think it'll happen again. I get that it's hard to form any kind of positivity from this but the low will only make the high so much better when we come back stronger :thup:

 

 

 

Yeah maybe maybe not. This kind of slow progress doesn't help us. Again we were looking for land 3 years ago. It's simply not the action of a club which is pushing as hard as possible. 

 

We've absolutely come far but the base was about as low as it could. 14 years of emotional abuse with the club's potential being pissed down the drain obviously takes it toll. The bigger issue is the gap which those 14 years created combined with rules which are obviously absurd. 

 

I don't think this summer happens again either but I also think we don't really have a good way to bridge the gap as things stands. I've been warning about this glass ceiling since Everton got those points docked :lol:

 

I don't knock your positivity, I envy it intact and my perspective doesn't have much to do with this summer tbh, it's more of a big picture lens I try to take. 

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I'm starting to come around on all this.  I don't know how much of the growing disquiet is a result of actually missing out on the high profile targets, and how much is a result of repeat embarrassments by being little bro'd on the national stage in a What Will The Mackems Think sort of way. 

 

I'm pleased we've gone for big targets and of course I'm gutted that they've fucked us off but our success so far has been mostly based on quality coaching of largely unknown quantities and has maybe been as much down to a fairly successful looking No Wankers policy as anything else (now looking in tatters if Isak stays, unless Howe's arm around the shoulder game is as strong as we hope). 

 

We've jumped the gun and overachieved in a lot of ways already. We're not attractive enough or in a financial position to attract the mercenaries so far (not necessarily a bad thing) but it seems to have been working out for us the last three or four years all the same.  If that's not good enough for Isak's ambition then it is what it is I suppose, but our own ambition as a fanbase is starting to look similarly lofty based on not that much. 

 

Like a few people have been posting for the last couple of weeks, I hope we're still working on unearthing the next Brunos and Tonalis in the background rather than relying only on not being fucked off by established elite players, and I'm sure we will be.

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r0cafella

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1 minute ago, OpenC said:

I'm starting to come around on all this.  I don't know how much of the growing disquiet is a result of actually missing out on the high profile targets, and how much is a result of repeat embarrassments by being little bro'd on the national stage in a What Will The Mackems Think sort of way. 

 

I'm pleased we've gone for big targets and of course I'm gutted that they've fucked us off but our success so far has been mostly based on quality coaching of largely unknown quantities and has maybe been as much down to a fairly successful looking No Wankers policy as anything else (now looking in tatters if Isak stays, unless Howe's arm around the shoulder game is as strong as we hope). 

 

We've jumped the gun and overachieved in a lot of ways already. We're not attractive enough or in a financial position to attract the mercenaries so far (not necessarily a bad thing) but it seems to have been working out for us the last three or four years all the same.  If that's not good enough for Isak's ambition then it is what it is I suppose, but our own ambition as a fanbase is starting to look similarly lofty based on not that much. 

 

Like a few people have been posting for the last couple of weeks, I hope we're still working on unearthing the next Brunos and Tonalis in the background rather than relying only on not being fucked off by established elite players, and I'm sure we will be.

TBF neither Sandro or Bruno were unearthed talents we just took the plunge first and it worked out well. 

 

Both players were full internationals for Brazil and Italy when we signed them playing for 2 massive clubs in the champions League. 

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

TBF neither Sandro or Bruno were unearthed talents we just took the plunge first and it worked out well. 

 

Both players were full internationals for Brazil and Italy when we signed them playing for 2 massive clubs in the champions League. 

 

Aye, I had written that in but it was getting a bit wordy. I trusted 'unknown quantities' to cover a lot of bases there :lol:

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1 minute ago, Rich said:


Very much not. I’ll take an Ederson from Atalanta type please and thank you.

Tell you what, get that done and the mood does change a bit. Shouldn't be in a mood at all given I've got 2 hours of work left than 10 days in Australia to look forward to but here we are, thank you very much nufc. 

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2 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 

Aye, I had written that in but it was getting a bit wordy. I trusted 'unknown quantities' to cover a lot of bases there :lol:

Yeah I hear you man, what your saying is sort the targets out and stop chasing the premier league experienced high potential players the rest of the cartel goons are. 

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Just now, r0cafella said:

Tell you what, get that done and the mood does change a bit. Shouldn't be in a mood at all given I've got 2 hours of work left than 10 days in Australia to look forward to but here we are, thank you very much nufc. 


I’m having a lovely summer in every respect, but I’m still miserable as sin due to what’s going on at the club :lol:

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2 hours ago, Jewel said:

I'd rather we save our money and keep our powder dry than overpay for average shite like Muniz just so we can get some bodies through the door.

 

I wouldn't say no to Jack Grealish on loan, provided Citeh pay at least 50% of his wages.

The duality of man in one post. 

 

Grealish ffs 😂😂😂😂😂

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r0cafella

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Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Jackson from Villarreal probably would if he'd had the numbers over there the last 2 years as he's had at Chelsea?

I don't think the numbers are bad from his time at Chelsea tbh. His xg underperformance is bad though and obviously the price is a massive issue. 

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