NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Fak]

10 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

All ambitious clubs deal in flipping players. Chelsea are masters at it. It's something we've got to get right, not ignore. It's very short sighted to think you can rule this out as we're above ir. We're not. It'll pay for premium later down the years.

 

 

 

Chelsea are helped that they can sell very talented academy players for profit. (EDIT: amongst other things)

 

 

Edited January 23 by Fak

[Dokko]

13 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

I think you've expanded on something I said which isn't really at the heart of the issue. Yes we should trade outwards, agreed; what I'm saying is: it isn't our whole modus operandi that we buy to sell, a la Brentford, Brighton, which is whose business we're supposed to be jealous of.

 

It's a balance. We need to do both. We need more squad going into a European season. When were out, we focus on quality of xi to get us back in. It's a very basic formula, but I think it would have been a better one that what we've done.

 

It's a shame we didn't just get europa. You get to use more of the squad in that competition than all guns for CL. I wanted CL to keep our best, but one left anyway. So rather see us go for the win in europa, blooding squad in earlier games. We've been cursed by rock hard cup draws again, so it's best team needed at all times.

 

And aye FAK, agreed. Their academy is class, and why I've been disappointed so far at lack of facilities as its an easy win and creates a legacy. Even sunderland £6m one 15 years ago is better than ours. Tragic really. 

 

 

Edited January 23 by Dokko

[TaylorJ_01]

I think it's all fine wanting to aim for purely top, proven players.

 

In reality, scratch beneath our first 20 players and the quality falls off a cliff.

 

Our U21s get pounded every game. They've scored 2 goals in 9 games  so there's not a huge amount coming through in the next few years either.

 

I think some decent value acquisitions of youngsters is a necessity really.

[joeyt]

19 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

All ambitious clubs deal in flipping players. Chelsea are masters at it. It's something we've got to get right, not ignore. It's very short sighted to think you can rule this out as we're above ir. We're not. It'll pay for premium later down the years.

 

 

 

Chelsea don't have any comeuppance though

 

They can sell a hotel to themselves to spend another £1billion. It doesn't matter if they make mistakes in the transfer market

[SteV]

1 minute ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

I think it's all fine wanting to aim for purely top, proven players.

 

In reality, scratch beneath our first 20 players and the quality falls off a cliff.

 

Our U21s get pounded every game. They've scored 2 goals in 9 games  so there's not a huge amount coming through in the next few years either.

 

I think some decent value acquisitions of youngsters is a necessity really.

They’ve spent absolute fortunes (in relative terms) recruiting for the youth set up since the takeover.

[Dokko]

6 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Chelsea don't have any comeuppance though

 

They can sell a hotel to themselves to spend another £1billion. It doesn't matter if they make mistakes in the transfer market

 

You can't say this this agree at spending £100m on 2 players who haven't added anything is good business. That's exactly the mistake we can't afford to make.

 

£15m on a player and in 2 years we get £10m back, or in Osula case make money on is exactly the mistake we should be making. 

[Keegans Export]

41 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

 

Perhaps it's worth thinking that's the reason why we aren't spending this January rather than it being an excuse for why we should be spending. 

 

We overspent a combined maybe £30M/£40M on Wissa/Elanga and Ramsey. Hence we have nothing left to give.

 

But that's where PSR does come into it. How much money have Chelsea, Man Utd wasted over the past few years? Only to dip back into the market and drop another £50m+

 

We don't have that luxury because the rules have tied our hands.

[Mazzy]

3 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

But that's where PSR does come into it. How much money have Chelsea, Man Utd wasted over the past few years? Only to dip back into the market and drop another £50m+

 

We don't have that luxury because the rules have tied our hands.

 

They have an egregious amount of incoming revenue. We do not.

 

Man Utd have the income of a small country and Chelsea have a second 25 man squad of players, two or three of which they sell for £40/50M every year. 

 

 

Edited January 23 by Mazzy

[Keegans Export]

Just now, Mazzy said:

 

They have an egregious amount of incoming revenue. We do not.

 

Man Utd have the income of a small country and Chelsea have a second 25 man squad of players, two or three of which they sell for £40/50M every year. 

 

Exactly, but PSR is what ties income to how much we can spend. 

[Lotus]

44 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

They don't deal in punts and low cost gambles because our ambitions are greater than just consolidating our position in the Premier League and flipping first-teamers for profit. We deal in high cost 'sure things' because PSR means we can't afford to make a mistake. 

 

If they don't work out, c'est la vie, it happens. But the logic is totally obvious and I genuinely don't see how you can be overly critical of it. All our signings may yet be successful. I'm quite happy to conclude that Jacob Ramsey is a better option than Sean Longstaff already.

I think you’re underestimating how influential a match fit Longstaff was to an Eddie Howe midfield. It’s all about outrunning the opposition and I think SL really brought a high stamina, relentless running and harrying that is more valued than first touch, vision and great passing. 
 

EH had us at our best version of his NUFC when our creativity was forcing oppo players into mistakes in dangerous positions.

 

When EH has tried to move us away from that it has faltered, so far.

[Stottie]

2 hours ago, Menace said:

It's boring now. Moans about PSR, still spends £100M+ on 2 EPL players who have not improved us.

 

It was "three for 150M" last week. Give it time, give the lads a chance, and we might see it down to 1 for 50M.

 

(I'm quite happy to consolidate myself, and don't expect much improvement until new stadium, more yoof coming through, more sponsorship, more money off Europe from building coefficient etc. Give it time and the Man City legal team might go nuclear and outgun the league over restrictions on trade, etc.)

 

[andycap]

Any updates on incoming?

[Yorkie]

26 minutes ago, Lotus said:

I think you’re underestimating how influential a match fit Longstaff was to an Eddie Howe midfield. It’s all about outrunning the opposition and I think SL really brought a high stamina, relentless running and harrying that is more valued than first touch, vision and great passing. 
 

EH had us at our best version of his NUFC when our creativity was forcing oppo players into mistakes in dangerous positions.

 

When EH has tried to move us away from that it has faltered, so far.

 

I liked Longstaff but he contributed next to nowt last season and it was time for him to go. He needs a run in the side to be useful. I've got high hopes for Ramsey; he's got a different skillset to Longy.

[timeEd32]

40 minutes ago, Lotus said:

I think you’re underestimating how influential a match fit Longstaff was to an Eddie Howe midfield. It’s all about outrunning the opposition and I think SL really brought a high stamina, relentless running and harrying that is more valued than first touch, vision and great passing. 
 

EH had us at our best version of his NUFC when our creativity was forcing oppo players into mistakes in dangerous positions.

 

When EH has tried to move us away from that it has faltered, so far.

 

I think this was true when he was at his best. One of the criticisms lobbed at Eddie is he hasn't liked to let go of his favorites, which Sean definitely was at one point. I think it's pretty telling that he let him go.

[Sibierski]

Think people confuse with signing £10m+ players with being a Brighton / Bournemouth. It's about identifying players who can progress in that price point, not being a selling club like them (every club bar Real and PSG are sellers).

 

It's like when Man City were exceptional in signing players consistently in the £40m-£50m bracket. They never got sucked into overpaying, but the top players in that bracket. They've since gone down the expensive route and their squad is worse for it.

 

I've always maintained that whilst we are outside the elite, we should be taking advantage of being the gateway to the top talents in the lower bracket. Join us, you will become better, you will compete for trophies, you will play in Europe. Someone offers £100m for you, you can go.

 

When Trippier, Krafth, Schar, Ramsdale, Pope, Willock and Murphy all leave in next 18 months, they all can't be £25m+ replacements, unless we are selling two first teamers.

 

 

Edited January 23 by Sibierski

[Sibierski]

What enables Chelsea spending though is their youth and constant churn. They are just as fucked with PSR as we are, don't let them spend £300m disguise that. It's then balanced out by selling £250m, and being worse off for it.

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Think people confuse with signing £10m+ players with being a Brighton / Bournemouth. It's about identifying players who can progress in that price point, not being a selling club like them (every club bar Real and PSG are sellers).

 

It's like when Man City were exceptional in signing players consistently in the £40m-£50m bracket. They never got sucked into overpaying, but the top players in that bracket. They've since gone down the expensive route and their squad is worse for it.

 

I've always maintained that whilst we are outside the elite, we should be taking advantage of being the gateway to the top talents in the lower bracket. Join us, you will become better, you will compete for trophies, you will play in Europe. Someone offers £100m for you, you can go.

 

When Trippier, Krafth, Schar, Ramsdale, Pope, Willock and Murphy all leave in next 18 months, they all can't be £25m+ replacements, unless we are selling two first teamers.

 

 

 

 

Not many of those £10m price range players can just slot into a team aiming for CL spots though.ost of the time they'll be on the bench/back up, whereas at a Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford & Sunderland are probably in that bracket now, they'll play plenty of football to improve. 

[Sibierski]

Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Not many of those £10m price range players can just slot into a team aiming for CL spots though.ost of the time they'll be on the bench/back up, whereas at a Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford & Sunderland are probably in that bracket now, they'll play plenty of football to improve. 

 

We don't need them to slot in straight away and wouldn't want them too either. Like at others, they require time adapting, have ups and downs. Vast majority would be treated like Hall, where it's building them up. Can play, but rather take a cautious approach so they don't get burnt early on. Get an injury crisis, they will play more and we accept a bit up and down. But one thing I will strongly argue for, it's easier to play one or two raw players when you've got 9 other top players around them and challenge at the top, then it is at the clubs you mentioned. They don't have likes of Bruno, Tonali, Trippier etc. all around them. 

 

On players coming straight in, Hujsen people probably think was a starter early on. He only got his break when Bournemouth had an injury to CB and he made it his own 2nd half of season.

[Sibierski]

Like if Miley came through in Steve Bruce era, he'd possibly look shite. Comes in with the squad around him, he's been able to grow and perform more to his technical ability rather than doing doggies.

[AngelofTheFourth]

2 hours ago, Dokko said:

The squad building vs improving xi is wrong. We built the squad at xi prices. We can't afford to do that. That's where psr kicks in. But he doesn't want to admit that, probably to not throw players under the bus, but it would admit the club have got it wrong. 

Exactly what I'm thinking 45m for sqaud players is alot of any club.

[Lotus]

27 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

I think this was true when he was at his best. One of the criticisms lobbed at Eddie is he hasn't liked to let go of his favorites, which Sean definitely was at one point. I think it's pretty telling that he let him go.

We haven’t looked as good in midfield since we SL lost form and was ultimately sold.

EH’s best game plan revolves around out running the opposition.

[timeEd32]

1 minute ago, Lotus said:

We haven’t looked as good in midfield since we SL lost form and was ultimately sold.

EH’s best game plan revolves around out running the opposition.

 

Our midfield this time last year once Tonali switched to the 6 was better than anything involving Longstaff.

 

But to the larger point this is why I was very interested in Gallagher. 

[Lotus]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

 

Our midfield this time last year once Tonali switched to the 6 was better than anything involving Longstaff.

 

But to the larger point this is why I was very interested in Gallagher. 

The most useful part (for us, not Italy) of Tonali’s game is his running.

[The College Dropout]

‘It’s a shame we didn’t get Europa’ 

 

Jesuuuu Christo you guys are lost.  
 

I think our best midfield is having our 3 well rested. It’s better than any Sean Longstaff 3. But I agree any Howe midfield needs strong runners 

[Optimistic Nut]

32 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

We don't need them to slot in straight away and wouldn't want them too either. Like at others, they require time adapting, have ups and downs. Vast majority would be treated like Hall, where it's building them up. Can play, but rather take a cautious approach so they don't get burnt early on. Get an injury crisis, they will play more and we accept a bit up and down. But one thing I will strongly argue for, it's easier to play one or two raw players when you've got 9 other top players around them and challenge at the top, then it is at the clubs you mentioned. They don't have likes of Bruno, Tonali, Trippier etc. all around them. 

 

On players coming straight in, Hujsen people probably think was a starter early on. He only got his break when Bournemouth had an injury to CB and he made it his own 2nd half of season.

 

These players won't kick on the same way only getting games here & there, compared to playing 35 league games in a season though.