Max Cherry Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Orrrrrr fuck off Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Leicester finished 5th twice and won the FA Cup with him in the side. He has been linked to Liverpool in the past. there's always a Forest or Saudi so maybe. But his West Ham ceiling is £45m ish give it take football inflation. Ultimately I think that’s his level imo Never that simple though is it? Darwin Nunez was wanted by all leading clubs last season, I think he was eventually bought by Liverpool for something like £80m while no one valued Isak enough to take a punt on him for anywhere near that much. Which one would you rather have now? Of course this is all about opinions, but I value Howe's higher than most. If he wants Barnes so badly, I figure there's good reason for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, TRon said: Never that simple though is it? Darwin Nunez was wanted by all leading clubs last season, I think he was eventually bought by Liverpool for something like £80m while no one valued Isak enough to take a punt on him for anywhere near that much. Which one would you rather have now? Of course this is all about opinions, but I value Howe's higher than most. If he wants Barnes so badly, I figure there's good reason for it. What point are you making? Im talking about resale value here. Isak has looked a success but even him because we paid a premium I think we would struggle to turn a 40% profit if we sold him. I like Barnes, I think he goes straight into the XI and adds value to the team. But I think his ceiling is limited. And I wouldn’t expect to make a significant profit on him when he’s sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Guess the profit potential mainly comes from Brighton style signings who come in really cheap. I’m sure we will be looking to do that. But at the moment we need to add top players that give us a chance in all the completions immediately. Hopefully the Caicedo type signings with a massive upside will come next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Profit will come from Guol and Minteh type signings and, if we’re lucky, some academy lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just now, McCormick said: Profit will come from Guol and Minteh type signings and, if we’re lucky, some academy lads. Oh yeah, forgot we’d already made some Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Guess the profit potential mainly comes from Brighton style signings who come in really cheap. I’m sure we will be looking to do that. But at the moment we need to add top players that give us a chance in all the completions immediately. Hopefully the Caicedo type signings with a massive upside will come next. That’s the thing. Imo I think Botman, Bruno and Isak have the potential to reach the top of the game. City, Man U, Barca, Madrid, Juve, Bayern etc. if all goes well I can see it. Potentially top quality players. I assume Tonali is in this group. Pope, Trippier, just great value for money. Gordon and to a lesser extent Barnes. Sure they lift the quality of the squad / first team. But the ceiling is lower (imo). Because of FFP I thought we would prioritise value for money. But Gordon, Tonali and possible Barnes deal are all premium transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 I think we paid too much for Anthony Gordon (£45m), but I also thought we paid too much for Isak (£60m), which was a very fair price in hindsight. We really found bargains in Bruno, Botman, and Trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: What point are you making? Im talking about resale value here. Isak has looked a success but even him because we paid a premium I think we would struggle to turn a 40% profit if we sold him. I like Barnes, I think he goes straight into the XI and adds value to the team. But I think his ceiling is limited. And I wouldn’t expect to make a significant profit on him when he’s sold. Why do we need to turn a 40% profit on a signing? What's wrong with a 20% profit for example? Obviously we'd love to make 150% profit if we could on every player, but the bottom line should be we recoup our money if it doesn't work out surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 It feels like a classic case of a player the club admires has become available at a price they think is fair. Same as Gordon. However, whether it's right for them to pull the trigger, when those funds could be better spent strengthening other positions, remains to be seen. But I think the club have said on record a number of times if the right player becomes available, then they won't hesitate to act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Why do we need to turn a 40% profit on a signing? What's wrong with a 20% profit for example? Obviously we'd love to make 150% profit if we could on every player, but the bottom line should be we recoup our money if it doesn't work out surely? If we get our money back in 3 years we’ll have made profit FFP wise of 18 million (60%) on a 30 million deal. Edited July 12, 2023 by clintdempsey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, clintdempsey said: If we get our money back in 3 years we’ll have made profit FFP wise of 18 million (60%) on a 30 million deal. I'm sure that would be the dream scenario, but football isn't played on spreadsheets, so we do have to balance that with players who are actually available, and that would improve the team first and foremost. Especially given buying them isn't an exact science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 I think we’re also seeing why the multi club model has been adopted. FFP had a lot of good intention - protecting fans and clubs from ruin - but it also sits at odds with the capitalist approach to economics that football has long run on. If we signed a promising Brazilian kid to our team in Belgium, then flipped him here for 2m before selling for 10m our purchasing power grows. Do that four times over and suddenly you’re afforded greater flexibility in the market. It’s all a bit messy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Viana said: I think we’re also seeing why the multi club model has been adopted. FFP had a lot of good intention - protecting fans and clubs from ruin - but it also sits at odds with the capitalist approach to economics that football has long run on. If we signed a promising Brazilian kid to our team in Belgium, then flipped him here for 2m before selling for 10m our purchasing power grows. Do that four times over and suddenly you’re afforded greater flexibility in the market. It’s all a bit messy. We should have gone multi club already, not sure why we are being so slow. FFP has zero intention and it’s working as designed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: We should have gone multi club already, not sure why we are being so slow. FFP has zero intention and it’s working as designed. No rush. I'm sure it'll happen in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: No rush. I'm sure it'll happen in time. Definitely is a rush like, we could offload so much junk including wages to a sister club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Definitely is a rush like, we could offload so much junk including wages to a sister club They've been here for a year and a half. They've barely touched the sides in terms of tapping into our potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Would be sad to see ASM go because I think at his best he's far more electric and unplayable than Barnes, but his injury record is a major problem. According to transfermarkt: 22/23: Missed 13 games 21/22: Missed 3 games 20/21: Missed 18 games 19/20: Missed 12 games I count 5 hamstring injuries (4 if we're being kind because 1 was a setback) plus 4 muscle injuries there. These seem to be recurring and as an explosive player facing a more congested fixture list than before, I wouldn't be surprised to see him miss a dozen or more again. ASM is a better wildcard option off the bench, but I'm struggling to think of successful clubs who kept an injury prone top earner in this kind of role? Correct me if I've missed any obvious ones. ASM's fitness record means you absolutely can't plan around him being a first teamer. With Barnes you could. I saw someone comparing Barnes stats to Rashford and not only are they very close, but that's a good comparison in terms of style. Unlike ASM, Barnes is a more direct player who just wants the shortest route to goal and is more pragmatic in his play. We know Barnes isn't capable of what ASM can do but he is much more consistently effective and fit, and has a ruthlessness in front of goal which we are lacking. As for selling ASM, I don't see how we'd get away with selling to Saudi clubs, but I think some here underestimate what Premier League clubs might pay for ASM. For the same reason it's a tough decision for us to sell him, other clubs also know what he's capable of. He helped keep us up and is coming into his peak years. I absolutely could see a desperate club forking out and gambling on him, but it would probably be late in the window, because the richer clubs tend to get their business done first and then the dominoes start to fall and then panic sets in. Could we regret it? Definitely if he stays fit. He could do a Bellamy and turn a corner fitness wise, but he could also see a recurrence of hamstring issues that just keeps getting worse. We need squad depth and I'd trust Barnes to be available when the big games are coming thick and fast. If ASM could stay fully fit thoughout the season in a functional team I think he'd post similar numbers to Barnes, but what are the chances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenties Unlaced Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Signing Barnes would be about reliability and flexibility in my view. The last 5 seasons he played 40 or more games in 4 of them. He's a right footed left winger. Combine that with his impressive goals/exp goals stats for a winger, then at the right price this seams like a no-brainer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OverThere Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, jack j said: FCB incoming, arm the missile defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, jack j said: HARVEY BARNES KLAXON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just fucking do this already. Boring as fuck waiting… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Take your time Harvard Barn, could understand the Tonali wait but you're takin the mick now fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) This is going to be Maddison all over again isn't it. Edited July 12, 2023 by Beth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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