80 Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Ben said: With Big Sam i always thought it was thick pundits who were impressed with his ideas rather than people in football By the (frequently shit) standards of his day, he did quite a bit. He was into Xg-guided tactics long before it was it was an accepted and dominant part of the game. We're talking 2003 here. The point is he had the advantage of being a first mover. Put him up against Graeme Souness and it was a no contest. But he essentially got found out as sports science and the like got more widely integrated into everyone else's approach and he didn't have an edge on his competition anymore. Edited July 24, 2025 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 Eales is CEO. The buck stops with him like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said: Eales is CEO. The buck stops with him like. Not when he's in his sick bed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 2 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said: Eales is CEO. The buck stops with him like. Eales doesn’t work at the club anymore. He’s on medical leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 Fair enough. Who's running the show then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 8 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said: Fair enough. Who's running the show then? No one. That’s the point. Complete void that PIF and the Reuben’s need to get a grip of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 10 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said: Fair enough. Who's running the show then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowgatePigeon Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 The buck stops with the owner, even Mike Ashley admitted that. Our owners are so busy bribing their way into every other facet of football that they forgot they're responsible for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 1 minute ago, GallowgatePigeon said: The buck stops with the owner, even Mike Ashley admitted that. Our owners are so busy bribing their way into every other facet of football that they forgot they're responsible for us This money is a drop in the ocean to them, probably the equivalent to me buying a new coat or something of that value. They’ve since moved onto bigger things it seems like Saudi Football and funding other sporting events. I’m not sure how much they ever had to do with us and think that early days success was all Staveley (from the board room level I mean). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowgatePigeon Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 2 minutes ago, Gawalls said: This money is a drop in the ocean to them, probably the equivalent to me buying a new coat or something of that value. They’ve since moved onto bigger things it seems like Saudi Football and funding other sporting events. I’m not sure how much they ever had to do with us and think that early days success was all Staveley (from the board room level I mean). Going off the Amazon documentary Amanda and Mehrdad had to travel to Riyadh to speak to Yasir to save the Gordon deal which we were set to lose over about 5m or something. That suggests Yasir or someone in the corridors of power at PIF has the final say on major decisions and at the very least is responsible for delegating someone to be our custodians on their behalf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 24, 2025 Share Posted July 24, 2025 2 minutes ago, GallowgatePigeon said: Going off the Amazon documentary Amanda and Mehrdad had to travel to Riyadh to speak to Yasir to save the Gordon deal which we were set to lose over about 5m or something. That suggests Yasir or someone in the corridors of power at PIF has the final say on major decisions and at the very least is responsible for delegating someone to be our custodians on their behalf. Final say maybe but I read into that - she snd Mehrdad still did the legwork others wouldn’t or just can’t be arsed to get said deal done. Seen no evidence Mitchell has done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 Can never be posted enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 17 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Can never be posted enough. but wut about his time at Monaco m8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 2 hours ago, Ben said: I think it's more at this stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 10 hours ago, Ben said: With Big Sam i always thought it was thick pundits who were impressed with his ideas rather than people in football Despite being a dinosaur on the pitch, he was very progressive (for the time) off it. Properly embraced analytics before anyone else in England, advocated building modern training facilities and was a heavy user of video to review matches and plan for the next one. Was always odd that him and Wenger clashed like they did considering how they were really the first to really drive that holistic approach to running their teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 1 minute ago, Pandamninator said: Despite being a dinosaur on the pitch, he was very progressive (for the time) off it. Properly embraced analytics before anyone else in England, advocated building modern training facilities and was a heavy user of video to review matches and plan for the next one. Was always odd that him and Wenger clashed like they did considering how they were really the first to really drive that holistic approach to running their teams. I never really saw that in his 8 months at Newcastle or his 67 days as England's manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 9 minutes ago, Pandamninator said: Despite being a dinosaur on the pitch, he was very progressive (for the time) off it. Properly embraced analytics before anyone else in England, advocated building modern training facilities and was a heavy user of video to review matches and plan for the next one. Was always odd that him and Wenger clashed like they did considering how they were really the first to really drive that holistic approach to running their teams. Gary Speed put his career going for so long at the top, down to going to Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ben said: I never really saw that in his 8 months at Newcastle or his 67 days as England's manager. By the time he got to us the rest of the Premier League were all doing it - and doing it better with more resources whilst he didn't evolve (shocking). Some Excel number crunching and getting a heated swimming pool installed was ahead of the pack in 2001, but laughably quaint when clubs were already starting to assemble entire battalions of PhDs and wiz kids. Edited July 25, 2025 by Pandamninator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 Is it bad that I don't actually know what this bald fraud has actually done in his time here other than pints for psr or some shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 4 hours ago, Ben said: I never really saw that in his 8 months at Newcastle or his 67 days as England's manager. @Pandamninator is basically nailing this, but Allardyce never really got his feet under the table here. It would've been an interesting period for the club when he was hired by Shepherd as it was the first time Shepherd had ever expressed interest in voluntarily building out our backroom staff and training facilities, and looking to sign bargains rather than feature attractions. Prior to that, any investment that wasn't directly into first team transfer fees was seen as waste by him and had to be dragged out forcefully, but he'd been forced to acknowledge we had to manage our money better to keep up, so he made an effort to hire someone outright committed to that. But very soon after, the takeover happened of course and the rest is history. And if we thought Shepherd was bad at investing in off pitch infrastructure, fuck me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 (edited) But back to the original subject, Allardyce is a good example of why I don't really care about someone's achievements in scouting analytics from 2014. It's irrelevant. Edited July 25, 2025 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 Was he a plant to cause all this agro, only a conspiracy theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 1 hour ago, wyn davies said: Was he a plant to cause all this agro, only a conspiracy theory. Aye I think so mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 25, 2025 Share Posted July 25, 2025 1 hour ago, wyn davies said: Was he a plant to cause all this agro, only a conspiracy theory. a BALD plant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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