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59 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

With Big Sam i always thought it was thick pundits who were impressed with his ideas rather than people in football 

By the (frequently shit) standards of his day, he did quite a bit. He was into Xg-guided tactics long before it was it was an accepted and dominant part of the game. We're talking 2003 here.

 

The point is he had the advantage of being a first mover. Put him up against Graeme Souness and it was a no contest. But he essentially got found out as sports science and the like got more widely integrated into everyone else's approach and he didn't have an edge on his competition anymore.

 

 

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1 minute ago, GallowgatePigeon said:

The buck stops with the owner, even Mike Ashley admitted that.

 

Our owners are so busy bribing their way into every other facet of football that they forgot they're responsible for us

This money is a drop in the ocean to them, probably the equivalent to me buying a new coat or something of that value. They’ve since moved onto bigger things it seems like Saudi Football and funding other sporting events. I’m not sure how much they ever had to do with us and think that early days success was all Staveley (from the board room level I mean).

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

This money is a drop in the ocean to them, probably the equivalent to me buying a new coat or something of that value. They’ve since moved onto bigger things it seems like Saudi Football and funding other sporting events. I’m not sure how much they ever had to do with us and think that early days success was all Staveley (from the board room level I mean).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going off the Amazon documentary Amanda and Mehrdad had to travel to Riyadh to speak to Yasir to save the Gordon deal which we were set to lose over about 5m or something. That suggests Yasir or someone in the corridors of power at PIF has the final say on major decisions and at the very least is responsible for delegating someone to be our custodians on their behalf.

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2 minutes ago, GallowgatePigeon said:

 

Going off the Amazon documentary Amanda and Mehrdad had to travel to Riyadh to speak to Yasir to save the Gordon deal which we were set to lose over about 5m or something. That suggests Yasir or someone in the corridors of power at PIF has the final say on major decisions and at the very least is responsible for delegating someone to be our custodians on their behalf.

Final say maybe but I read into that - she snd Mehrdad still did the legwork others wouldn’t or just can’t be arsed to get said deal done. Seen no evidence Mitchell has done that.

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10 hours ago, Ben said:

 

With Big Sam i always thought it was thick pundits who were impressed with his ideas rather than people in football 

 

Despite being a dinosaur on the pitch, he was very progressive (for the time) off it.

 

Properly embraced analytics before anyone else in England, advocated building modern training facilities and was a heavy user of video to review matches and plan for the next one.  Was always odd that him and Wenger clashed like they did considering how they were really the first to really drive that holistic approach to running their teams.  

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1 minute ago, Pandamninator said:

 

Despite being a dinosaur on the pitch, he was very progressive (for the time) off it.

 

Properly embraced analytics before anyone else in England, advocated building modern training facilities and was a heavy user of video to review matches and plan for the next one.  Was always odd that him and Wenger clashed like they did considering how they were really the first to really drive that holistic approach to running their teams.  

 

I never really saw that in his 8 months at Newcastle or his 67 days as England's manager.

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9 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

 

Despite being a dinosaur on the pitch, he was very progressive (for the time) off it.

 

Properly embraced analytics before anyone else in England, advocated building modern training facilities and was a heavy user of video to review matches and plan for the next one.  Was always odd that him and Wenger clashed like they did considering how they were really the first to really drive that holistic approach to running their teams.  

 

Gary Speed put his career going for so long at the top, down to going to Bolton. 

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12 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

I never really saw that in his 8 months at Newcastle or his 67 days as England's manager.

 

By the time he got to us the rest of the Premier League were all doing it - and doing it better with more resources whilst he didn't evolve (shocking).

 

Some Excel number crunching and getting a heated swimming pool installed was ahead of the pack in 2001, but laughably quaint when clubs were already starting to assemble entire battalions of PhDs and wiz kids.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Ben said:

 

I never really saw that in his 8 months at Newcastle or his 67 days as England's manager.

@Pandamninator is basically nailing this, but Allardyce never really got his feet under the table here. 

 

It would've been an interesting period for the club when he was hired by Shepherd as it was the first time Shepherd had ever expressed interest in voluntarily building out our backroom staff and training facilities, and looking to sign bargains rather than feature attractions. Prior to that, any investment that wasn't directly into first team transfer fees was seen as waste by him and had to be dragged out forcefully, but he'd been forced to acknowledge we had to manage our money better to keep up, so he made an effort to hire someone outright committed to that.

 

But very soon after, the takeover happened of course and the rest is history. And if we thought Shepherd was bad at investing in off pitch infrastructure, fuck me...

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But back to the original subject, Allardyce is a good example of why I don't really care about someone's achievements in scouting analytics from 2014. It's irrelevant.

 

 

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