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12 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Again, at the match - or directly on social media - offering up moans and grumbles and abuse at players is unlikely to produce better results.

 

On an internet forum, where said player would have to find it first then search for his own name, sorry like what do they think they’re going to find?  
 

We appear to have signed a £55m confidence player - and I think that’s on our scouting team seemingly doing fuck all due diligence rather than the lad himself.  The lad looks completely bereft at the minute and I genuinely feel sorry for him, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s the third (I think) most expensive signing in our history and even the on-form version of him at Forest wasn’t producing £55m worth of output.  The transfer currently has all the hallmarks of being a disastrous one, so quite rightly people are not going to be happy, though I think that frustration is aimed in the wrong direction - the question really should be who thought that this kid was worth paying that sum for?


 

Personally, I’ve got no issue with people on a forum saying he isn’t playing well. He’s got off to a bad start, his effort’s there but his output’s been shit and we can all see that. 

 

I’ll argue with people who say he’s always been shit, because he hasn’t, he was a stand out player for Forest for 2 x seasons and we scouted him for a long time. And he’s only 23.
 

And I’ll argue with people who say it’s acceptable to abuse our own players in the ground, when they’re trying hard but struggling for form. We should be supporting him, not berating him. 
 

The price we paid is what we paid. £55m isn’t that much these days for a player who had proven themselves as attacking talent in the Premier League. The hyper-inflation of football transfer fees is disgusting, but it is what it is unfortunately. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, midds said:

I think at some point someone needs to just have a word and say something along the lines of 'look, if you are trying to be positive and take the attack to your LB then the crowd will be 100% with you even if it doesn't work because they see you trying to be aggressive and make something happen which is exactly what they want. If you never have a go and play it safe then, even if you do that competently, it'll piss the fans off as they see you as a weapon that can hurt the opposition but you're choosing not to. It's a mentality thing and not a competence thing'  


Do you believe that though? Because based on where I sit in the Leazes. Elanga gets blamed for everything. From

not taking his man on, to taking his man on, to goals conceded and not being 9ft tall to head chances in at the back post. 
 

I genuinely think some people have made their minds up on him. Which is fair enough, he has been crap and doesn’t look like getting any better. So they will continue to aim their moaning, groaning, swearing and abuse at him. Which isn’t fair enough. 
 

I’ve said it on here before plenty of times. I don’t particularly like Gordon. As a player or the way he carries himself. More so the last year or 18 months. But he still gets my support when I’m at the ground. As should all of our players, within reason. 

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I’ve been in the Leazes when Burn was the subject of the abuse a couple of seasons ago and from the moment the ref blew his whistle they were shouting about how Burn was worse than shite and moaning and groaning anytime he got near the ball.
 

Dan Burn, a home town lad, a Newcastle fan, a war horse, who gives his all every single game without question. Who’s since gone on to play for England and become a club legend for his performances last season and his Wembley goal. 
 

But when he was in poor form he was public enemy No 1. Singled out and rounded up on by certain sections of our home support. They’re fucking morons and the ground would benefit if they fucked off and stopped coming to games, but they’re stuck to their seats like toxic limpets. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:


Do you believe that though? Because based on where I sit in the Leazes. Elanga gets blamed for everything. From

not taking his man on, to taking his man on, to goals conceded and not being 9ft tall to head chances in at the back post. 
 

I genuinely think some people have made their minds up on him. Which is fair enough, he has been crap and doesn’t look like getting any better. So they will continue to aim their moaning, groaning, swearing and abuse at him. Which isn’t fair enough. 
 

I’ve said it on here before plenty of times. I don’t particularly like Gordon. As a player or the way he carries himself. More so the last year or 18 months. But he still gets my support when I’m at the ground. As should all of our players, within reason. 

Can't speak for each part of the ground but if he's getting shit even when he's trying to be positive and attacking his LB then that's absolutely dreadful from the fans. I think there's some situations where players visibly aren't trying and catch some (justified) shit from the fans. But if he's getting abuse from the off regardless of what he does or how he plays then that's bang out of order

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7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

I’ve been in the Leazes when Burn was the subject of the abuse a couple of seasons ago and from the moment the ref blew his whistle they were shouting about how Burn was worse than shite and moaning and groaning anytime he got near the ball.
 

Dan Burn, a home town lad, a Newcastle fan, a war horse, who gives his all every single game without question. Who’s since gone on to play for England and become a club legend for his performances last season and his Wembley goal. 
 

But when he was in poor form he was public enemy No 1. Singled out and rounded up on by certain sections of our home support. They’re fucking morons and the ground would benefit if they fucked off and stopped coming to games, but they’re stuck to their seats like toxic limpets. 

 

 

 

You missed the part out about him playing left back during this time.

 

All of the positive performances are after he stepped back into CB.

 

Needs must but he did struggle playing LB that season

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7 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

You missed the part out about him playing left back during this time.

 

All of the positive performances are after he stepped back into CB.

 

Needs must but he did struggle playing LB that season


He struggled at LB and everyone could see he was struggling, but he was doing his best and doing what was being asked of him.
 

So what was the thought process of the people singling him out for abuse game after game ?

 

“A fully committed player is struggling so I know what’ll make him play better, I’ll turn up and call him worse than shite for the full 90 mins”

 

Longstaff got exactly the same treatment from these people. They’re not supporters. 
 

If they want to abuse our own players fair enough, but keep the fuck away from the ground and stay at home to shout at the telly instead. 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:


 

Personally, I’ve got no issue with people on a forum saying he isn’t playing well. He’s got off to a bad start, his effort’s there but his output’s been shit and we can all see that. 

 

I’ll argue with people who say he’s always been shit, because he hasn’t, he was a stand out player for Forest for 2 x seasons and we scouted him for a long time. And he’s only 23.
 

And I’ll argue with people who say it’s acceptable to abuse our own players in the ground, when they’re trying hard but struggling for form. We should be supporting him, not berating him. 
 

The price we paid is what we paid. £55m isn’t that much these days for a player who had proven themselves as attacking talent in the Premier League. The hyper-inflation of football transfer fees is disgusting, but it is what it is unfortunately. 

 

 

 

Yeah, agreed on all counts

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What were people hearing in the ground v fulham? I was in the gallowgate and loads of people urging him to skin the full back/run/encouraging him to try and beat the man but I didn’t hear people calling him shite or outright abusing him - was that going on around others? I don’t mind the fans being a bit demanding/urging the team to attack but just shouting abuse is a complete waste of time 

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There was a few groans when we were chasing the winner and he got the ball with just the full back in front of him, instead of going at the full back his first instinct was to turn and pass the ball back.

 

Unfortunately the only way he’ll get his confidence back is by being brave and trying things. Personally I’d rather he ran the ball out of play at least trying something.

 

Lots of players have buckled playing at SJP over the years he needs to be mentally stronger, or his career is only going one way here.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Thorpinho said:

What were people hearing in the ground v fulham? I was in the gallowgate and loads of people urging him to skin the full back/run/encouraging him to try and beat the man but I didn’t hear people calling him shite or outright abusing him - was that going on around others? I don’t mind the fans being a bit demanding/urging the team to attack but just shouting abuse is a complete waste of time 

 

I know Robinson is rapid, but on a going day, Elanga beats him and basically every defender in a foot race.  But he seemed reluctant to even contemplate the idea of trying to get down the line and it's not the first time he's been like that since joining.

 

That's why it makes me think so much of this is a mental issue.  Maybe not quite so much the sloppy passes and the runs he makes/doesn't make.  But the heavy touches and lack of any meaningful decisions.  Trying to play safe all the while. 

 

The problem is.  It's not like we can just give him a run of games to figure it out.  Murphy is the better option out there.  Barnes is better there, too.  Even though he is wasted on that side and he is our best left winger.  Because of the way we have started the season.  We haven't got much of a margin for error and we need results.  

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2 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

I know Robinson is rapid, but on a going day, Elanga beats him and basically every defender in a foot race.  But he seemed reluctant to even contemplate the idea of trying to get down the line and it's not the first time he's been like that since joining.

 

That's why it makes me think so much of this is a mental issue.  Maybe not quite so much the sloppy passes and the runs he makes/doesn't make.  But the heavy touches and lack of any meaningful decisions.  Trying to play safe all the while. 

 

The problem is.  It's not like we can just give him a run of games to figure it out.  Murphy is the better option out there.  Barnes is better there, too.  Even though he is wasted on that side and he is our best left winger.  Because of the way we have started the season.  We haven't got much of a margin for error and we need results.  

 

 

I've felt for some time it's a mental issue. I think at a smaller club he'll show the same form that he did when he was at Forest. Problem is, he's not at a smaller club so we have to hope he's somehow going to grow into a big club player. 

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4 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:


Do you believe that though? Because based on where I sit in the Leazes. Elanga gets blamed for everything. From

not taking his man on, to taking his man on, to goals conceded and not being 9ft tall to head chances in at the back post. 
 

I genuinely think some people have made their minds up on him. Which is fair enough, he has been crap and doesn’t look like getting any better. So they will continue to aim their moaning, groaning, swearing and abuse at him. Which isn’t fair enough. 
 

I’ve said it on here before plenty of times. I don’t particularly like Gordon. As a player or the way he carries himself. More so the last year or 18 months. But he still gets my support when I’m at the ground. As should all of our players, within reason. 

It's gone on for years to be honest, I remember being in the East Stand and group absolutely getting stuck into Silvio Maric - all fine and dandy for a lot people as he didn't pull up any trees but at the time the poor fucker was sat on the bench! 

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39 minutes ago, Monters said:

It's gone on for years to be honest, I remember being in the East Stand and group absolutely getting stuck into Silvio Maric - all fine and dandy for a lot people as he didn't pull up any trees but at the time the poor fucker was sat on the bench! 


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16 minutes ago, Rocker said:

Bags of enthusiasm, pace to burn, but half the time his brain and his feet are clearly in two very different WhatsApp groups.

[emoji38] Being in any not strictly necessary WhatsApp groups in the first place is his first mistake 

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6 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:


 

Personally, I’ve got no issue with people on a forum saying he isn’t playing well. He’s got off to a bad start, his effort’s there but his output’s been shit and we can all see that. 

 

I’ll argue with people who say he’s always been shit, because he hasn’t, he was a stand out player for Forest for 2 x seasons and we scouted him for a long time. And he’s only 23.
 

And I’ll argue with people who say it’s acceptable to abuse our own players in the ground, when they’re trying hard but struggling for form. We should be supporting him, not berating him. 
 

The price we paid is what we paid. £55m isn’t that much these days for a player who had proven themselves as attacking talent in the Premier League. The hyper-inflation of football transfer fees is disgusting, but it is what it is unfortunately. 

 

 

 

 

That's really not true like. He was effective for the system they played but he never made things click. MGW and Wood made things happen, Milenković and Murillo were their best players.

 

I've always been clear on here how much I don't rate Elanga, but let's not rewrite history. Howe wanted him, so we all hoped he saw something in him he can improve. £55m was absolutely mental money for him, which I think if you read back everyone agreed.

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1 hour ago, Shearergol said:

 

That's really not true like. He was effective for the system they played but he never made things click. MGW and Wood made things happen, Milenković and Murillo were their best players.

 

I've always been clear on here how much I don't rate Elanga, but let's not rewrite history. Howe wanted him, so we all hoped he saw something in him he can improve. £55m was absolutely mental money for him, which I think if you read back everyone agreed.

He scored 6 goals and got 11 assists. In a team that was set up to absorb pressure and hit on the counter, not some swashbuckling side scoring for fun.
 

One of my close pals is a diehard Forest fan and as soon as we were linked, he was saying he’d be gutted to lose Elanga because of how key he’d been to their system. 
 

I never said he was their best player or made things happen. I said he was a stand out player for them. Which he absolutely was. He did what counter attacking wingers need to do. Score some goals and create some goals. 
 

I was neutral about his signing and haven’t seen anything from him that’s impressed me yet, but I’m not rewriting history from his Forest days. 
 

Whereas you clearly don’t rate him and didn’t want him here.

 

 

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2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

He scored 6 goals and got 11 assists. In a team that was set up to absorb pressure and hit on the counter, not some swashbuckling side scoring for fun.
 

One of my close pals is a diehard Forest fan and as soon as we were linked, he was saying he’d be gutted to lose Elanga because of how key he’d been to their system. 
 

I never said he was their best player or made things happen. I said he was a stand out player for them. Which he absolutely was. He did what counter attacking wingers need to do. Score some goals and create some goals. 
 

I was neutral about his signing and haven’t seen anything from him that’s impressed me yet, but I’m not rewriting history from his Forest days. 
 

Whereas you clearly don’t rate him and didn’t want him here.

 

 

 

 I was told virtually the same by a Forest fan except he said he was their "best player".

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