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I think we may underestimate how good Murphy's runs and the timing of them are. Or at the very least we need Elanga to work on his

 

I feel a number of times a match Murphy gets into positions for Bruno to thread it through to him. Elanga is faster than Murphy but I feel I rarely seem him in the same positions or penetrative runs as Murphy. Maybe needs to work on his timing of them when Bruno,  Schar, Tonali have the ball

 

 

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9 minutes ago, joeyt said:

His confidence is absolutely shot and he's overthinking everything 

 

The crowd groaning isn't helping that

 

At some point he has to try to do the right things to dig himself out of the rut he's in though and get the crowd on his side, driving into wide open space with the ball is such an easy win and it's meant to be his strongest asset. 

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21 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

At some point he has to try to do the right things to dig himself out of the rut he's in though and get the crowd on his side, driving into wide open space with the ball is such an easy win and it's meant to be his strongest asset. 

 

If he drove down the line and lost control of the ball or fdidn't get a cross in it would have resulted in groans too. People groan before he's even had chance to do anything with the ball

 

He's not mentally there yet or confident, he's overthinking everything and if he sees a safe pass down the line he's probably going to take it. Fingers crossed it changes for him and us

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1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

It was offset by Garnacho, Antony, Sancho, Rashford, Hojlund, Evans, Lindelof and Eriksen leaving the club and great sell on fees from Elanga and Carreras.

 

You can't have outgoings like that every year. :lol: 

 

How much profit did you make on all those sales ? If we view profit as price paid vs price sold

 

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42 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

At some point he has to try to do the right things to dig himself out of the rut he's in though and get the crowd on his side, driving into wide open space with the ball is such an easy win and it's meant to be his strongest asset. 

 

The crowd just want him to blindly run forward every time he gets the ball though. Even when he was alone against 3 defenders and nobody was in the middle to cross the ball to, he was getting pelters for just passing it.

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10 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

People saying he's playing shit because some of the crowd are groaning, he hasn't got confidence, he's overthinking it etc.

 

It's the other way round [emoji38]

 

If you'd just started a new job and it was a job you'd done well at another company, but at the new place you were taking a while to settle, so then loads of people in the workplace moaned and complained at anything you did and took great pleasure in shouting at you to tell you that you were shite at the job, would you think your performance and confidence would get:

 

a) better

 

or

 

b) worse

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

People saying he's playing shit because some of the crowd are groaning, he hasn't got confidence, he's overthinking it etc.

 

It's the other way round [emoji38]

 

That's not what I was saying, I was just saying the way the crowd hammer him is embarrassing and they do it even when he's not doing much wrong. 

 

I don't get why you wouldn't believe his performances are anything to do with his mental state though, that seems pretty obvious and the crowd won't be helping.

 

Of course I'm contractually obliged to say that the crowd are entitled to do what they like. Which they are, but the idea it won't affect a player is silly. Otherwise why bother to support?

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He was warming up on the pitch at HT, trying a few tricks. One of them was letting the ball bounce off his standing foot and simply keeping it up with his other foot.

 

He tried and failed 5 times on the trot, the ball was flying all over the place. The balls were being gently lobbed to him from 5 yards away. He’d make Pope look good with his feet, he even started laughing at how bad he was.

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The crowd were right behind him at the start of the season, every time he got the ball they were roaring him on. 

 

I agree groaning at him doesn't help, but at some point he also has to do more to help himself. Being sloppy in possession even when playing "safe" and not really showing any intent on the ball will always get you moaned at, at any ground in the county. 

 

It's a vicious circle because he's already lost a lot of our fans and he's not really giving them any reason to change their mind. 

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8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

If you'd just started a new job and it was a job you'd done well at another company, but at the new place you were taking a while to settle, so then loads of people in the workplace moaned and complained at anything you did and took great pleasure in shouting at you to tell you that you were shite at the job, would you think your performance and confidence would get:

 

a) better

 

or

 

b) worse

 

 

 

 

Nobody at the club is doing that. In your analogy, his work colleagues at this made up company are moaning at him. But it should be the customers who are groaning. Elanga's teammates aint doing anything other than helping him.

And the crowd moaning is being mega exaggerated in this thread.

He's a top paid and high performing athlete (previously). It's up to him to get everyone back on side. And only him. He's a big boy.

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43 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

If you'd just started a new job and it was a job you'd done well at another company, but at the new place you were taking a while to settle, so then loads of people in the workplace moaned and complained at anything you did and took great pleasure in shouting at you to tell you that you were shite at the job, would you think your performance and confidence would get:

 

a) better

 

or

 

b) worse

 

 

 

 

Being a footballer is not a normal job, there are very few comparisons you can make from doing a run of the mill job to that of a professional footballer.

 

The answer is B.

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41 minutes ago, GOTONEW said:

 

Nobody at the club is doing that. In your analogy, his work colleagues at this made up company are moaning at him. But it should be the customers who are groaning. Elanga's teammates aint doing anything other than helping him.

And the crowd moaning is being mega exaggerated in this thread.

He's a top paid and high performing athlete (previously). It's up to him to get everyone back on side. And only him. He's a big boy.


Customers rather than colleagues is right in a work analogy but I think everyone knows what I meant. We’re meant to be supporters, an extension of the team, we’re supposed to be all in it together. Supporting. 

 

And the crowd moaning isn’t exaggerated, it’s what’s happening. Same as Longstaff, same as Burn, same as Wood, Miggy amongst others. 
 

Many matchgoing NUFC fans need someone in black and white to direct their hatred at.

 

If a player is trying hard get behind them and support them through a rough patch. Moaning at them achieves fuck all.  

 

 

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I think at some point someone needs to just have a word and say something along the lines of 'look, if you are trying to be positive and take the attack to your LB then the crowd will be 100% with you even if it doesn't work because they see you trying to be aggressive and make something happen which is exactly what they want. If you never have a go and play it safe then, even if you do that competently, it'll piss the fans off as they see you as a weapon that can hurt the opposition but you're choosing not to. It's a mentality thing and not a competence thing'  

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Again, at the match - or directly on social media - offering up moans and grumbles and abuse at players is unlikely to produce better results.

 

On an internet forum, where said player would have to find it first then search for his own name, sorry like what do they think they’re going to find?  
 

We appear to have signed a £55m confidence player - and I think that’s on our scouting team seemingly doing fuck all due diligence rather than the lad himself.  The lad looks completely bereft at the minute and I genuinely feel sorry for him, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s the third (I think) most expensive signing in our history and even the on-form version of him at Forest wasn’t producing £55m worth of output.  The transfer currently has all the hallmarks of being a disastrous one, so quite rightly people are not going to be happy, though I think that frustration is aimed in the wrong direction - the question really should be who thought that this kid was worth paying that sum for?

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22 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Again, at the match - or directly on social media - offering up moans and grumbles and abuse at players is unlikely to produce better results.

 

On an internet forum, where said player would have to find it first then search for his own name, sorry like what do they think they’re going to find?  
 

We appear to have signed a £55m confidence player - and I think that’s on our scouting team seemingly doing fuck all due diligence rather than the lad himself.  The lad looks completely bereft at the minute and I genuinely feel sorry for him, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s the third (I think) most expensive signing in our history and even the on-form version of him at Forest wasn’t producing £55m worth of output.  The transfer currently has all the hallmarks of being a disastrous one, so quite rightly people are not going to be happy, though I think that frustration is aimed in the wrong direction - the question really should be who thought that this kid was worth paying that sum for?

:howe:

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