Newcastle United 3-0 Aston Villa - 26/12/24

[PauloGeordio]

7 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

The opening goal had everything we want. Tonali being combative and winning the ball and giving it immediately to Bruno, then Bruno with a creative forward pass to Big Joe who then drives it forward laying it off for Gordon to have a rip from the edge of the box. Love it. 

[huss9]

strange first half for tonali,

gave the ball away with easy passes at least 6 times.

yet still looked decent.

[The Bonk]

1 hour ago, El Prontonise said:

Will pass it off as boxing day shite but whenever someone puts I've played football so you know nothing automatically discounts them from the argument going forward as most people who play football don't even know the rules of the game.  It's a red card under the rules imo, is it deliberate then only Duran knows.

Duran put his spikes on Schar because it’s a deliberate reaction to a somewhat hard slide tackle. Schar’s boots come up a bit high, so Duran gives him a little tenderizing, but he’s so obvious in doing it there’s no choice but red.

 

He was pissed he got caught and kicked out at the water bottles or whatever before huffing it down the tunnel. 

 

 

[RobsonsWonderland]

Almost the same spot where Schar got sent off in the first game of the season... Obviously he learnt to play possum and just play dead until the other man got sent off this time!

 

Eddie Howe and the Dark Arts are back...  Long may it continue!

[TK-421]

MOTD pundits saying it was harsh on Duran, and that the ref should have asked to have another look.

 

Is the ref allowed to do that? Is it not only if VAR think he's made a mistake that he then gets sent to the screen to review it?

 

And Emrey going on as if the ref whipped the card out straight away... he did take about 15-20 seconds before showing the red.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by TK-421

[Danh1]

I think MOTD are spot on about the red card.

 

Makes it sweeter, fuck them.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, TK-421 said:

MOTD pundits saying it was harsh on Duran, and that the ref should have asked to have another look.

 

Is the ref allowed to do that? Is it not only if VAR think he's made a mistake that he then gets sent to the screen to review it?

 

And Emrey going on as if the ref whipped the card out straight away... he did take about 15-20 seconds before showing the red.

 

 

 

Nah, some refs bottle it by giving a yellow and then waiting to be asked by VAR if they need to change it. I think that’s the only other option from the straight red. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Danh1 said:

I think MOTD are spot on about the red card.

 

Makes it sweeter, fuck them.

I think he just slipped, yeah. Seemed genuinely mystified by the red card. 

[BonesJones]

These images show it best for me. There's only one place that right foot should be landing, but look where it ends up.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by BonesJones

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

MOTD pundits saying it was harsh on Duran, and that the ref should have asked to have another look.

 

Is the ref allowed to do that? Is it not only if VAR think he's made a mistake that he then gets sent to the screen to review it?

 

And Emrey going on as if the ref whipped the card out straight away... he did take about 15-20 seconds before showing the red.

 

 

 

Absolutely. VAR should have no influence on a referee’s initial decision. If you think it’s a red, give it, if you don’t, don’t.

 

What the fuck’s he supposed to do? Ask VAR before he’s made a decision?

[nemtizz]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I think he just slipped, yeah. Seemed genuinely mystified by the red card. 

 

None of his teammates were.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, SteV said:

Absolutely. VAR should have no influence on a referee’s initial decision. If you think it’s a red, give it, if you don’t, don’t.

 

What the fuck’s he supposed to do? Ask VAR before he’s made a decision?

Some refs give a yellow and then wait for VAR to tell them what to do. Not good refereeing but I think they do that to avoid the big decision. 

[Danh1]

1 minute ago, BonesJones said:

These images show it best for me. There's only one place that right foot should be landing, but look where it ends up.

 

 

 

Did you see MOTD? They highlighted that his left ankle twists, which kind of leaves him with no choice but to land his right foot where he did. I’ll be honest I wasn’t sure it was a red card anyways, but that’s made my mind up.

 

As I said earlier though, fuck them

[SteV]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Some refs give a yellow and then wait for VAR to tell them what to do. Not good refereeing but I think they do that to avoid the big decision. 

Indeed. And that is absolute shite refereeing.

[Tiresias]

i think he slipped trying to leave a bit on with left foot, kind of minor bit of shithousery get away with 9 times out of 10. He rolls his foot though and the other boot comes down makes it look worse, however fail to see how it's still not a red??? 

[Disco]

Easily avoided and he gave the ref a decision to make. Call it naivety at best. Another game for the vile dissent too would be best advised. 
 

Villa fans I spoke to after the game were 50/50 on it after seeing it back which is good enough for me.

[Elric]

The fact is that is was a red that was given. It happened. Everyone else can cry about it, fuck 'em 

[nemtizz]

2 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Did you see MOTD? They highlighted that his left ankle twists, which kind of leaves him with no choice but to land his right foot where he did. I’ll be honest I wasn’t sure it was a red card anyways, but that’s made my mind up.

 

As I said earlier though, fuck them

 

Why did he outstretch his left leg as he's falling? He 'rolled his ankle' stamping on Schar then went for another.

[Tiresias]

Quote

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

 

Looking at the rules interestingly, intent only comes in when striking with the arms or hand. The ref can say that was excessive force in stamping doesnt matter if he meant it or not, am i reading that right?

[SteV]

Bit coincidental he ‘accidentally’ stamped on Schar just at the point he was up a height mind…

[OverThere]

I thought it was a borderline yellow/red but ho hum Sob on The Tyne and all that you Brummie bast#rds! 

[Astroblack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k5UbhVlQq4

 

Official highlights, can't embed. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Astroblack

[GeordieDazzler]

In the stadium in real time it looked pretty nasty and an obvious red which the ref agreed with.
 

As someone else pointed out his other teammates didn’t seem too outraged at the red. 
 

VAR will only overrule if the ref has completely missed something, but in this case he did land with his boots on Schar. His intent is just a judgement call and not a clear and obvious error. 
 

Think it was a little similar to when you see a red for high boot, probably not malicious but you can’t complain too much if the ref send you off.

[alexf]

I thought it was a nailed on red. Just as Schar twists his leg comes up almost as if he's going to leave abit on Duran but he doesn't connect. But in the microsecond, Duran retaliates and plants both feet in the direction of Schar but tried to do it in away that looks accidental. It wasn't. He knew exactly what he was doing and it's a red card. 

[geordie_b]

MOTD talking absolute nonsense with the red.

 

He ‘rolled’ his ankle as he stood on Schar but if you roll your ankle your next step is in the direction of the roll to take the weight NOT to other side like he did.