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11 minutes ago, John P said:

It's not, I just rate Jackson a lot more than most people on here

 

I really like him too. No doubt he needs some work (like Ekitike and Sesko) but I back Eddie to get him sorted and by all accounts Jackson puts a lot of hard work in off the field and isn't workshy. Statistically the best transititional striker in the league, has some of the best positional intelligence of any attacker the last two seasons and puts in a huge defensive shift. He was absolutely class in the first half of last season when Chelsea were playing largely on the transition. When they shifted to whatever Marescaball is he tailed off a bit. Paired with another more traditional striker I think he'd be class for us.

 

Only hang up for me would be the price. Chelsea were quoting £80m. If we could get that down by about £20m I'd be pleased. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, andycap said:

Well no they're sorting the final price out with man utd. But he's decided to go to man utd. 

 

Ah, I see. Cheers :thup:

 

This transfer saga was all kinds of levels of crazy to me.

 

I cannot believe Man United have bought 3 forward players for around £200 million this summer before even looking at their central midfield options. And to top it off the striker they have opted for is another young guy with promise that will have to come in and lead the line from the outset, with a ton of pressure on his back. I think these guys are absolutely bat shit crazy! Think they've gone with a very risky approach this summer, and this is a team I will take immense pleasure in rooting against this season, along with their new striker.

 

Then there's Benjamin Sesko. Off to Man United following after a similarly aged and similarly priced promising prospect at striker that has become a source of ridicule at Man United due to how badly he's been managed, and who was just in the last game kicking the post angrily and raging yet again, because of his frustration at not getting the ball played to him in a goal scoring position. This club has so far this summer failed to move on 4 players still in their 20s in Rashford, Sancho, Antony and Garnacho that they have completely mismanaged and whose prospects they have ruined to varying degrees, some of whom they spent even more on to buy than what they are spending on Sesko! Benjamin Sesko you are batshit crazy!

 

Last of all is Newcastle United. You mean to tell me that all of those reports that Sesko had a preference to go to Man United that we saw written about, tweeted about and stated on camera seemingly every hour of every single day for the past week, have actually turned out to be legitimate and true? And Newcastle United were not able to get any sense of this in their negotiations with the player, and just kept on pushing forward with things naively?! Newcastle United you are batshit crazy!

 

Oh well ... we now have to move on form this quickly. Hopefully there are other plans in place and we can do a better job. These so called "big clubs" cannot buy everybody. Even if by accident, eventually we will have to close some deals.

 

Ultimately, I am VERY glad this one is over. Hope any further approaches for players are nowhere near as tedious!

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7 minutes ago, huss9 said:

nothing more we could have done to get Sesko.

they could try not putting all their eggs in one basket and moving on to plan B & C where A has little viability 

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2 minutes ago, RobS said:

Any other prospective new signing? Agents of all those players? It’s not rocket science that with each rejection it gets harder to get the next one over the line, we look like utter mugs right now. 

may be i'm just too long in the tooth to worry about that.

just crack on and get wissa and ask isak to put in a transfer request if he doesnt want to stay.

 

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1 minute ago, Roids said:

they could try not putting all their eggs in one basket and moving on to plan B & C where A has little viability 

 

We made moves for Delap, Ekitke and João Pedro. Not sure why you'd think Sesko was plan A. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Imagine signing our 6th choice striker or whatever they'll be. Ouch. Would anyone lessen themselves to that? Money talks, but we are so concerned about not being ripped off, we're being embarrassed other ways instead.

All while arguably the best striker in the world is sat in our training centre with 3 years on his contract. :lol: I'd find all of this absolutely hilarious if it was another club.

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1 minute ago, gdm said:

Imagine going from Isak to Jackson tho 

Oh yes, he's a step down from Isak, but at this stage I'm not sure there's anyone in world football who we can realistically sign who isn't - Sesko would have been too. Even if you look purely at the stats of Jackson and Sesko - Jackson is 2 years older (just turned 24), when he was 22 (Sesko's age) he was getting 14 goals and 5 assists in the PL for Chelsea whilst Sesko was getting 13 goals and 5 assists in a worse league. I think people see Jackson miss some sitters over the course of the season and just automatically think he's crap, when he's far from it. He would fit really well in our team/style and I've got no doubt Howe would get him scoring 15-20 league goals

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5 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said:

 

I really like him too. No doubt he needs some work (like Ekitike and Sesko) but I back Eddie to get him sorted and by all accounts Jackson puts a lot of hard work in off the field and isn't workshy. Statistically the best transititional striker in the league, has some of the best positional intelligence of any attacker the last two seasons and puts in a huge defensive shift. He was absolutely class in the first half of last season when Chelsea were playing largely on the transition. When they shifted to whatever Marescaball is he tailed off a bit. Paired with another more traditional striker I think he'd be class for us.

 

Only hang up for me would be the price. Chelsea were quoting £80m. If we could get that down by about £20m I'd be pleased. 

 

 

 

100% agree

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34 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We'll never turn on Amorim. Mark my words. We adore him. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

You don't speak fog every Man Utd fan. ;D

 

Part of the reason why United have been so toxic is the cult following most managers have had since Mourinho left. Diehard Solskjaer, ten Hag and now Amorim fanboys. It's odd behaviour.

 

If a manager does well, praise them. And if he doesn't, they should be criticised. It's really that simple. Instead of the mental gymnastics some fans perform to defend underperforming managers time and time again.

 

Amorim was very lucky to keep his job after bottling a get out of jail card against Spurs out of all teams. Spursy. A genuine disastrous 6-7 months at the helm.

 

But INEOS had to stand by him, or they'd look even more incompetent than they are. Amorim is fortunate that the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Wolves have sold off most of their key players this summer. And with Villa and Newcastle practically stagnant in the market, it'll make a top 6/7 finish a lot easier to achieve. The pressure goes up with each signing now. INEOS spending over 200 million on 3 new attackers suddenly puts him under more pressure to be in the hunt for 5th. Especially with no midweek European games. Amorim will likely secure Europa League football this coming season. Ang that will be enough to appease most fanboys.

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I've said before, will be quite happy when this falls through. I'm sure he's talented, so he might even do well in the PL, but he's not a risk I'd want to take.

 

I just don't get why we're not in for Wissa again or indeed already have him - a massive upgrade on Wilson and capable of leading the line on his own, so it's not even like for like - would be a pure upgrade.

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3 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Where is everyone that was adamant it was happening? :D Could see this coming a mile off for people not clouded by close links.

 

I don't think that's a fair assumption, I wasn't adamant it was happening but I had some confidence in it, whatever has gone on behind the scenes has clearly gazumped his own national press who were also under the impression he was coming here. So I'm not sure the gloating is any help.

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1 minute ago, John P said:

Oh yes, he's a step down from Isak, but at this stage I'm not sure there's anyone in world football who we can realistically sign who isn't - Sesko would have been too. Even if you look purely at the stats of Jackson and Sesko - Jackson is 2 years older (just turned 24), when he was 22 (Sesko's age) he was getting 14 goals and 5 assists in the PL for Chelsea whilst Sesko was getting 13 goals and 5 assists in a worse league. I think people see Jackson miss some sitters over the course of the season and just automatically think he's crap, when he's far from it. He would fit really well in our team/style and I've got no doubt Howe would get him scoring 15-20 league goals


Good point. I’ve always thought he was an extremely talented player, great pace, movement and work ethic. I think he’s just a bit overzealous sometimes trying to prove a point. If he can learn to control himself then there’s a top player there and someone that would work perfectly for us. There’s no way Chelsea sell him for less than the price of Šeško though

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Why are we even fishing in the same pond as the cartel? Man Utd can afford to spend over 200m on Antony, Sancho and Hojlund, watch them flop and then immediatley go back out and spend a further 200m on attackers. We can barely afford Elanga to go wrong so what are thinking by shelling out 70m on this little twerp who never fancied us in the first place. I wish we'd be smarter. We should be snapping up the likes of Pedro, Ekitike, Sesko, Wissa before they establish themselves at good teams. Can we not occupy the space between the Brightfordmouth type teams and the cartel until we have what it takes to take the cartel head on? I.e.e our current place in the football food chain. The cartel spend big money on proven players cause it's easy, the Brightfordmouths don't have that luxury so they find intelligent ways to make the best of what they have. We need to get the smart scouting systems in place and then blow the lesser PL teams away the same way the cartel do with us.

 

The best signings we can make is at the board/recruitment team level. As it stands, we're once again giving Eddie Howe a lump of coal and asking him the carve a statue.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, liammc414 said:

Why are we even fishing in the same pond as the cartel? Man Utd can afford to spend over 200m on Antony, Sancho and Hojlund, watch them flop and then immediatley go back out and spend a further 200m on attackers. We can barely afford Elanga to go wrong so what are thinking by shelling out 70m on this little twerp who never fancied us in the first place. I wish we'd be smarter. We should be snapping up the likes of Pedro, Ekitike, Sesko, Wissa before they establish themselves at good teams.

 

The best signings we can make is at the board/recruitment team level. As it stands, we're once again giving Eddie Howe a lump of coal and asking him the carve a statue.

 

 

 

 

To be fair, we tried with the first two. But PSR and PSG got in the way. 

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