Sibierski Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 And he can do all this being the lone 9. Having one of the CMs run through central will help too. Like during Man City era of their false 9, it was multiple different runners from deep going beyond that scored. I believe Tonali would be exceptional at it, but we need him on the defensive side, so it’s either a defensive CM, or keep Tonali deep and get someone who can make those runs forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I think he’d be an ideal 9 for us in a 4-2-3-1 system with someone really creative behind him or even someone like Morgan Rogers who will push on past him. I still reckon Howe will get it right with him in time though. Hes got too much quality not to be successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Missed the lovely dummy for the pel too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 25 minutes ago, Sibierski said: And he can do all this being the lone 9. Having one of the CMs run through central will help too. Like during Man City era of their false 9, it was multiple different runners from deep going beyond that scored. I believe Tonali would be exceptional at it, but we need him on the defensive side, so it’s either a defensive CM, or keep Tonali deep and get someone who can make those runs forward. Our game is too vertical for that to work reliably. It’s too much running. It worked for City because they hemmed teams deep which made deep runs less intensive for midfielders. Ours have to do a lot of running as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 He's simply not in that no 9 position enough, was infuriating the amount of crosses we did for last 35-40 mins (this includes ET) and he was not in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 19 minutes ago, St1pe said: I think he’d be an ideal 9 for us in a 4-2-3-1 system with someone really creative behind him or even someone like Morgan Rogers who will push on past him. I still reckon Howe will get it right with him in time though. Hes got too much quality not to be successful. I mean provided he doesn't fall of a cliff he's already been successful 15 goals and 5 assists in the league (which I don't think is wildly outlandish) come May would be a successful first season. (This part isn't aimed at you) Some of the discussion around him drives me a bit mad tbh. The midfield around him at best (granted it's been much better the last 2-3 weeks) has been highly dysfunctional this year all the while he's acclimatizing to a new country and league. If I hadn't watched any of the games I'd think with the way people talk in this thread he's on 2 goals or something and miscontrols every touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 20 minutes ago, Mole said: I mean provided he doesn't fall of a cliff he's already been successful 15 goals and 5 assists in the league (which I don't think is wildly outlandish) come May would be a successful first season. (This part isn't aimed at you) Some of the discussion around him drives me a bit mad tbh. The midfield around him at best (granted it's been much better the last 2-3 weeks) has been highly dysfunctional this year all the while he's acclimatizing to a new country and league. If I hadn't watched any of the games I'd think with the way people talk in this thread he's on 2 goals or something and miscontrols every touch. I guess by successful I meant he’d have a career like Ba, Isak, Cisse etc. Not that he’d eventually leave because he isn’t suited for the league or a no10 or whatever seems to get thrown at him now. I don’t think he could have started much better given age and experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 47 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: He's simply not in that no 9 position enough, was infuriating the amount of crosses we did for last 35-40 mins (this includes ET) and he was not in the box. He looked absolutely knackered to be fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 48 minutes ago, Mole said: I mean provided he doesn't fall of a cliff he's already been successful 15 goals and 5 assists in the league (which I don't think is wildly outlandish) come May would be a successful first season. (This part isn't aimed at you) Some of the discussion around him drives me a bit mad tbh. The midfield around him at best (granted it's been much better the last 2-3 weeks) has been highly dysfunctional this year all the while he's acclimatizing to a new country and league. If I hadn't watched any of the games I'd think with the way people talk in this thread he's on 2 goals or something and miscontrols every touch. I’m with you, find it odd that people are writing him off or saying he doesn’t suit us. I think this time next year hell be much more integrated after a full pre season under his belt and us knowing how to utilise him better. Good to see Howe experimenting yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 hours ago, Sibierski said: And he can do all this being the lone 9. Having one of the CMs run through central will help too. Like during Man City era of their false 9, it was multiple different runners from deep going beyond that scored. I believe Tonali would be exceptional at it, but we need him on the defensive side, so it’s either a defensive CM, or keep Tonali deep and get someone who can make those runs forward. Along with the wingers being prepared to come inside and link up more, which there are signs they are doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, El Prontonise said: He's simply not in that no 9 position enough, was infuriating the amount of crosses we did for last 35-40 mins (this includes ET) and he was not in the box. But we also have many other outfield players. It shouldn’t just be down to one lone person to be in that box, the opposite winger should be right in there too and one of the CMs (unless it’s a fast counter and quick delivery, in which case it would only be played if someone was there). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 hours ago, Mole said: I mean provided he doesn't fall of a cliff he's already been successful 15 goals and 5 assists in the league (which I don't think is wildly outlandish) come May would be a successful first season. (This part isn't aimed at you) Some of the discussion around him drives me a bit mad tbh. The midfield around him at best (granted it's been much better the last 2-3 weeks) has been highly dysfunctional this year all the while he's acclimatizing to a new country and league. If I hadn't watched any of the games I'd think with the way people talk in this thread he's on 2 goals or something and miscontrols every touch. Not sure I can see another 8 league goals. Especially with Wissa back and him possibly playing more as a second striker/10 behind him and/or spending more time on the bench. That said, if he does play that role a bit more. I think he can start getting more assists, for sure. Should have had 2 yesterday and his dummy for Tonali’s penalty shows how clever he is with his play. He’ll get better as the team evolves around him and he continues to improves with age and experience. There were a couple of old pros on the radio the other day talking about Sesko and Gyokeres. Saying for foreign players, you almost need to allow a year of 18 months before you can form a solid opinion one way or the other. I think Woltemade hit the ground running and exceeded expectations with his goalscoring and is now a bit of a victim of his own success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Pissing me off with his lack of shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Any chance of shooting when you’ve got a straight forward chance in front of goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Eddie, have this lad doing nothing but blasting thunderbastards in training. Please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Needs some coaching from a selfish striker like a Shearer, a Hasselbaink etc. Just fucking shoot!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: Any chance of shooting when you’ve got a straight forward chance in front of goal? It was a chance. Not sure it was straightforward. The defender right behind him seemed to inhibit his ability to swing a leg at it, even if he hadn't tried to take a touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Nick "wont shoot" Woltemade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Striker that is scared to shoot. Couldn’t write it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Couldn’t trap a bag of cement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Really not convinced by him personally. Not sure how he fits here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Why is he so afraid of shooting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearljam10 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Maybe ha cant shoot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Seems like we have a done a great number on his confidence like Elanga. Im less worried with big Nick. We need to find a way to use him properly though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Needs to learn you don't get the same time on the ball in England as you do against teams like St. Pauli and Augsburg. Fucking wake up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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