Víctor Muñoz

[gbandit]

It goes without saying that you’re not a strong poster Andycap, I think even you’d have to nod in agreement to that 

[Mole]

It's definitely not the same strategy at all, you only have to look at the names of the players we are linked with to see that. They'll be occasions where we are beaten to signings by the usual teams because they want good players too and that's just life. But idk how you can look at the reports and think this is the same approach as last summer.

[Fak]

14 minutes ago, andycap said:

Same strategy just with Wilson on board now. 

 

We didn't have a Ross Wilson (ie. a DOF) last summer. Maybe we might be a bit more savvy/successful this time round?

[TheBrownBottle]

18 minutes ago, andycap said:

Same strategy just with Wilson on board now. 

I’m not seeing it tbh - we look like we’re chasing reasonably priced talent from the continent, last year we were chasing overpriced PL players

 

We’ll know by the end of the window of course, but so far it looks like ‘lessons learned’ to me

[Nobody]

The three players we've been properly linked with this summer so far (this lad, Yohanna and Jaouen) certainly doesn't seem like anything we tried to do last summer like.

[lovejoy]

2 hours ago, andycap said:

Was watching the geordie journos a week or so ago and they were saying it's basically the same strategy as it was last summer. 

With the way we went about it which doesn't fill you with confidence in getting these deals done quickly. 

 

Honestly man, those goons. I’d discount every word they say, genuinely.

 

One of them did his YouTube video with his kite out the other day.

 

They’re absolutely playing at it, and the word ‘journo’ is doing some seriously heavy lifting in their channel title.

 

clowns, all 3 of them.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 21:17 by lovejoy

[lovejoy]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m not seeing it tbh - we look like we’re chasing reasonably priced talent from the continent, last year we were chasing overpriced PL players

 

We’ll know by the end of the window of course, but so far it looks like ‘lessons learned’ to me

Couldn’t agree more 

[Fak]

1 minute ago, lovejoy said:

Honestly man, those goons. I’d discount every word they say, genuinely.

 

One of them did his YouTube video with his kite out the other day.

 

They’re absolutely playing at it, and the word ‘journo’ is doing some seriously heavy lifting in their channel title.

 

clowns, all 3 of them.

 

 

 

 

[lovejoy]

2 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Mental, man! 

[Fak]

Just now, lovejoy said:

Mental, man! 

 

Who was it?

[lovejoy]

1 minute ago, Fak said:

 

Who was it?

I don’t know which one is which but the one who’s usually in the middle and talks the most shite. I only saw a clip of it in my YouTube feed but he’s got nee top on.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 21:23 by lovejoy

[Nobody]

I just assumed 'Geordie journos' were the likes of Ryder, Hope et all, but now I'm guessing it's just a bunch of random podcasters/YouTubers? 

[Dr Venkman]

35 minutes ago, andycap said:

Same strategy just with Wilson on board now. 

It’s clearly not the same strategy.

A strategy is two sets of activities chosen to fulfil your mission: things you do, and things you don’t do.
 

For example, last summer we didn’t make big sales early (which we have very clearly chosen to do this summer) or (as far as we know) attempt to sign any young, relatively inexperienced players from other leagues (which we are just about to do).

[Elbel1]

2 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

It’s clearly not the same strategy.

A strategy is two sets of activities chosen to fulfil your mission: things you do, and things you don’t do.
 

For example, last summer we didn’t make big sales early (which we have very clearly chosen to do this summer) or (as far as we know) attempt to sign any young, relatively inexperienced players from other leagues (which we are just about to do).

You say that, but if you ignore the facts and focus entirely on what 3 blatant grifters have said on the internet for attention then you could say that the negative people are right to be worried 

[TK-421]

9 minutes ago, Nobody said:

I just assumed 'Geordie journos' were the likes of Ryder, Hope et all, but now I'm guessing it's just a bunch of random podcasters/YouTubers? 

 

The three of them are Journalists, for the Shields Gazette.

[Skeletor]

We had a strategy last year? Thought it was just sign anyone who's left after everyone else had feasted?

[McCormick]

The characterization of our previous summer window is becoming a bit weird now. We tried to get good players, they just went elsewhere.

[Nobody]

43 minutes ago, McCormick said:

The characterization of our previous summer window is becoming a bit weird now. We tried to get good players, they just went elsewhere.

We were too ambitious last summer, we thought getting in the champions league and probably selling our best player would meant we had to get the top tier, PL/CL ready type players.

This summer it seems we've learnt our lesson and are going for more potential than we were prepared to do last summer.

Fwiw, with hindsight last summer was obviously an absolute shit show, but it made sense at the time IMO. 

[McCormick]

3 hours ago, Nobody said:

We were too ambitious last summer, we thought getting in the champions league and probably selling our best player would meant we had to get the top tier, PL/CL ready type players.

This summer it seems we've learnt our lesson and are going for more potential than we were prepared to do last summer.

Fwiw, with hindsight last summer was obviously an absolute shit show, but it made sense at the time IMO. 

I don’t think we were too ambitious tbh; the targets made sense after making the CL and trying to establish ourselves there. The problem was more that once the elite clubs came in, we were always likely to lose out.

 

And I don’t think this summer is us ‘learning our lesson’ so much as adapting to no CL football. Without that pull, the market naturally shifts more toward younger/high-upside players imo. Or, at least I hope so. If we’re up there again the season after I’d rather complain about showing “too much ambition” than showing not enough.

[r0cafella]

16 minutes ago, McCormick said:

I don’t think we were too ambitious tbh; the targets made sense after making the CL and trying to establish ourselves there. The problem was more that once the elite clubs came in, we were always likely to lose out.

 

And I don’t think this summer is us ‘learning our lesson’ so much as adapting to no CL football. Without that pull, the market naturally shifts more toward younger/high-upside players imo. Or, at least I hope so. If we’re up there again the season after I’d rather complain about showing “too much ambition” than showing not enough.

Disagree with this, I think the targets made sense on paper but obviously football doesn't take place on paper. 

 

Your comment only makes sense if you believe the cartel would never come knocking for these players but given everyone is after the same profile of player why wouldn't they come knocking?

 

I think the champions league pull us overstated too mind as we saw last summer, Cunha and Sesko both reportedly turned us down when we had it and Manchester red didn't. 

 

I think Hubris met reality last summer. 

[KingArthur]

7 hours ago, Mole said:

It's definitely not the same strategy at all, you only have to look at the names of the players we are linked with to see that. They'll be occasions where we are beaten to signings by the usual teams because they want good players too and that's just life. But idk how you can look at the reports and think this is the same approach as last summer.

Definitely Ross Wilson has changed things. And he should. 

[macphisto]

We can say he's changing things but it's more that we're just reverting back to what we did before last summer.

 

Going a few windows without new players, prior to last summer, has maybe made some of us forget how young some of our players were when we initially signed them. 

 

Botman, 22

Livramento, 20

Hall, 18

Minteh, 18

Osula, 21

 

[gdm]

5 minutes ago, macphisto said:

We can say he's changing things but it's more that we're just reverting back to what we did before last summer.

 

Going a few windows without new players, prior to last summer, has maybe made some of us forget how young some of our players were when we initially signed them. 

 

Botman, 22

Livramento, 20

Hall, 18

Minteh, 18

Osula, 21

 

Isak was 22 too

[McCormick]

4 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Disagree with this, I think the targets made sense on paper but obviously football doesn't take place on paper. 

 

Your comment only makes sense if you believe the cartel would never come knocking for these players but given everyone is after the same profile of player why wouldn't they come knocking?

 

I think the champions league pull us overstated too mind as we saw last summer, Cunha and Sesko both reportedly turned us down when we had it and Manchester red didn't. 

 

I think Hubris met reality last summer. 

 

I get your point, and yeah once the elite clubs come in it’s difficult for us to win those battles but you still have to have a go. We clearly weren’t bidding blind either; agents don’t give green lights if there’s zero interest.

If you avoid elite targets just because bigger clubs might enter the race, you never compete for top players at all. By that logic we’d never have ended up with Bruno, Isak or Tonali either.

 

And the CL does make a difference, just not enough to outweigh legacy and wages for most players. After finishing in those spots, aiming that high made sense, is my point. I’d hate to think that we’re framing big ambition as incompetence now despite what happened.

For me it was more an execution issue than “hubris”; probably too much focus on a few top targets without enough alternatives, which also makes sense given we didn’t exactly have a fully built-out transfer team/hierarchy at the time.
 

 

[Menace]

Riddle me this - if Madrid's buy back is indeed 8M euros and he's expected to be sold for 35M+... why wouldn't they?