Dave Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Fuck it, let's sell him to Man Utd for £20m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 f*** it, let's sell him to Man Utd for £20m. leeds are on the lookout for players i hear!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Sam said he will only leave if its right for newcastle,not just right for the player and not right for the club!Talking sense again!Sounds like he will only sell if he gets a replacement in first!Could end up better for us yet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 £8m, £9m? He does have a point though, we do tend to buy high and sell low. There are plenty of tits on this board who would happily blow their load at getting 500k - would probably agonise their tortured souls to see Dyer valued at anything like £6m tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Given Dyer's age, injury problems and reportly astronomical wages, added to the fact he's never actually delivered much if any of the promise he's supposedly always had and the fact nobody knows his best position, i'd be gobsmacked if we could raise more than £6m for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Given Dyer's age, injury problems and reportly astronomical wages, added to the fact he's never actually delivered much if any of the promise he's supposedly always had and the fact nobody knows his best position, i'd be gobsmacked if we could raise more than £6m for him. Correctumundo. To be honest, I think we should be ecstatic if we manage to get £6 million. I think that when you take all the things you mentioned into account, including the fact he wants to leave then we would be lucky to get more than £4 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goal! Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 So you'b be happy with lets say a straight swap for Jason Koumas at the price you are talking about? Don't get me wrong the time is probably right for Dyer to move, but come on how many of our current midfield would be picked ahead of Dyer, bearing in mind our injury curse is appearing again, plus he finally seems to be finding some consistant fitness without getting injured every few games after his previous injury comeback. It appears we will soon be getting as desperate for numbers in midfield due to injury as our defence is desperate for new signings due to lack of numbers/quality.... So just because some fans (ok most fans) think he's a tit or has been a tit in the past we should flog him for anything we'll get, bit like Bellamy was flogged by Souness/Shepherd... and so many of our other players! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 So you'b be happy with lets say a straight swap for Jason Koumas at the price you are talking about? Don't get me wrong the time is probably right for Dyer to move, but come on how many of our current midfield would be picked ahead of Dyer, bearing in mind our injury curse is appearing again, plus he finally seems to be finding some consistant fitness without getting injured every few games after his previous injury comeback. It appears we will soon be getting as desperate for numbers in midfield due to injury as our defence is desperate for new signings due to lack of numbers/quality.... So just because some fans (ok most fans) think he's a tit or has been a tit in the past we should flog him for anything we'll get, bit like Bellamy was flogged by Souness/Shepherd... and so many of our other players! Who said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'd imagine NM has at some point! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Given Dyer's age, injury problems and reportly astronomical wages, added to the fact he's never actually delivered much if any of the promise he's supposedly always had and the fact nobody knows his best position, i'd be gobsmacked if we could raise more than £6m for him. Age: 28 is hardly over the hill Injuries: fair point, but he does seem to be over the worst now following a change to his fitness regime. Hamstrings are hardly the same as having major surgery. Astronomical wages: par for the course for England players these days as to what he delivers, everyone has a different opion, from fans to managers don't they? Yours is probably different to mine, but I would be looking for at least £5m and the figure mentioned by Allardyce was £6m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 So you'b be happy with lets say a straight swap for Jason Koumas at the price you are talking about? Don't get me wrong the time is probably right for Dyer to move, but come on how many of our current midfield would be picked ahead of Dyer, bearing in mind our injury curse is appearing again, plus he finally seems to be finding some consistant fitness without getting injured every few games after his previous injury comeback. It appears we will soon be getting as desperate for numbers in midfield due to injury as our defence is desperate for new signings due to lack of numbers/quality.... So just because some fans (ok most fans) think he's a tit or has been a tit in the past we should flog him for anything we'll get, bit like Bellamy was flogged by Souness/Shepherd... and so many of our other players! Who said that? Exactly what I was thinking! It's got nothing to do with what the fans think, but everything to do with the reality of the situation which Dave spelt out in his previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Given Dyer's age, injury problems and reportly astronomical wages, added to the fact he's never actually delivered much if any of the promise he's supposedly always had and the fact nobody knows his best position, i'd be gobsmacked if we could raise more than £6m for him. Age: 28 is hardly over the hill Injuries: fair point, but he does seem to be over the worst now following a change to his fitness regime. Hamstrings are hardly the same as having major surgery. Astronomical wages: par for the course for England players these days as to what he delivers, everyone has a different opion, from fans to managers don't they? Yours is probably different to mine, but I would be looking for at least £5m and the figure mentioned by Allardyce was £6m. He seems to be over them but his history of relapses is likely to be at the forefront of people's minds. Also, wasn't there something about there being some likely difficulty in getting insurance for him, due to his injury history, should he move clubs? I would imagine this would be a reason for wanting to pay less for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Given Dyer's age, injury problems and reportly astronomical wages, added to the fact he's never actually delivered much if any of the promise he's supposedly always had and the fact nobody knows his best position, i'd be gobsmacked if we could raise more than £6m for him. Why? Mido and Chopra went for £6m and £5m respectively. It's in inflated transfer market and we're talking about a highly experienced England international. Even given the age difference I'd have thought Dyer would be worth more than Chopra. Mido has had plenty of fitness/attitude problems and was 5th choice striker yet they managed to get £6m for him. We should be looking for at least that much for Dyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Fair enough, though i'd suggest those players were completely overpriced and sold to clubs with silly ideas of grandeur, and I don't see how Dyer will get the same treatment in the market. Also, those players are being bought to do specific jobs, whereas we still don't know where Dyer fits best. As I say, if we can raise more than the £6m i'll be very pleased (providing we can get cover of course...). We'll be saving a fortune on other bills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Given Dyer's age, injury problems and reportly astronomical wages, added to the fact he's never actually delivered much if any of the promise he's supposedly always had and the fact nobody knows his best position, i'd be gobsmacked if we could raise more than £6m for him. Age: 28 is hardly over the hill Injuries: fair point, but he does seem to be over the worst now following a change to his fitness regime. Hamstrings are hardly the same as having major surgery. Astronomical wages: par for the course for England players these days as to what he delivers, everyone has a different opion, from fans to managers don't they? Yours is probably different to mine, but I would be looking for at least £5m and the figure mentioned by Allardyce was £6m. He seems to be over them but his history of relapses is likely to be at the forefront of people's minds. Also, wasn't there something about there being some likely difficulty in getting insurance for him, due to his injury history, should he move clubs? I would imagine this would be a reason for wanting to pay less for him. Do you think we would be talking about £6m if he had never had injury problems? It would be a lot more given the current market as has just been pointed out. Bear in mind he would be valued according to how successive England managers rate him as opposed to the "Dyer's a fucking little waster" camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goal! Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Problem is, can anyone suggest a player who can offer what Dyer can (on his day at least) that is versatile in any AM positions, who is at their 'peak age', experienced in the PL and International level, who would come to us for even anything under £10m? Only one I can think of is SWP who could cost as much as £12m, and is even more limited postion wise, albeit more specialised on the RW position than Dyer. But Milner is fine there, with Geremi, Solano and Dyer able to cover that posistion... And even though SWP is a lot younger, has less injury problems and is also very pacey, I think I'd still prefer Dyer over him even if we could get SWP for the same price we could get for Dyer... Unless anyone else can think of a realistic and worthy replacement??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 SWP has probably better end product but is nowhere near as quick IMO, and has far less drive or running power. You would gain some and lose some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Problem is, can anyone suggest a player who can offer what Dyer can (on his day at least) that is versatile in any AM positions, who is at their 'peak age', experienced in the PL and International level, who would come to us for even anything under £10m? Only one I can think of is SWP who could cost as much as £12m, and is even more limited postion wise, albeit more specialised on the RW position than Dyer. But Milner is fine there, with Geremi, Solano and Dyer able to cover that posistion... And even though SWP is a lot younger, has less injury problems and is also very pacey, I think I'd still prefer Dyer over him even if we could get SWP for the same price we could get for Dyer... Unless anyone else can think of a realistic and worthy replacement??? If you are tinking of prem players ... Benayoun would have been great but has obviously gone for the exact same fee. Someone like Malbranque could be had for about the same fee. The Asian player from Reading might not be a bad option (sorry I forget his name!). We could also go with a youngster like Routledge for less than what we get for Dyer. Bouazza at Watford is another youngster who has shown promise. These are just a few of the top pf my head, yes most of them don't have the supposed 'pedigree' of Dyer, but I bet for the most part they would be just as productive for us. I'm sure there are a few more options if you had a good think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 classic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goal! Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Problem is, can anyone suggest a player who can offer what Dyer can (on his day at least) that is versatile in any AM positions, who is at their 'peak age', experienced in the PL and International level, who would come to us for even anything under £10m? Only one I can think of is SWP who could cost as much as £12m, and is even more limited postion wise, albeit more specialised on the RW position than Dyer. But Milner is fine there, with Geremi, Solano and Dyer able to cover that posistion... And even though SWP is a lot younger, has less injury problems and is also very pacey, I think I'd still prefer Dyer over him even if we could get SWP for the same price we could get for Dyer... Unless anyone else can think of a realistic and worthy replacement??? If you are tinking of prem players ... Benayoun would have been great but has obviously gone for the exact same fee. Someone like Malbranque could be had for about the same fee. The Asian player from Reading might not be a bad option (sorry I forget his name!). We could also go with a youngster like Routledge for less than what we get for Dyer. Bouazza at Watford is another youngster who has shown promise. These are just a few of the top pf my head, yes most of them don't have the supposed 'pedigree' of Dyer, but I bet for the most part they would be just as productive for us. I'm sure there are a few more options if you had a good think about it. Malbranque/Boa Morte are good shouts bearing in mind Dyer wants out, sorry might be just me but I think Routledge is total wank. Just bugs me that some people would be happy with a small fee for Dyer just purely to get shot of him asap, my point is the most comparable players to Dyer are Lennon and SWP and they would both cost (well) over £10m in todays transfer market. Why should we do Dyer a favour and let him go on the cheap and leave ourselves well short of an experienced player and with not enough funds to replace him? Wonder if ManUre are still interested at the £20-odd million rumoured a few years back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 classic Just goes to emphasise what Dyer was capable of at his best though. Integral part of a side which finished 3rd in the Prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 classic ha ha ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Newbie Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/chroniclesport/tm_headline=it-s-a-dyer-dilemma%26method=full%26objectid=19522790%26siteid=50081-name_page.html Anal's musings today.... "A source close to West Ham told me today: “It’s all right Sam Allardyce saying that Dyer will not be leaving St James’ Park unless it is in the interests of Newcastle United and that he will not be cheap. But talk of £5m for Dyer is pie in the sky. “West Ham will look to make a down payment of around £1m and then payments on a batch of 10 or so games because of the problems with insurance regarding his medical history. “So if Dyer does come to Upton Park it will be on West Ham’s terms and not Newcastle United’s.”" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Cash upfront or fk em I say!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 “West Ham will look to make a down payment of around £1m and then payments on a batch of 10 or so games because of the problems with insurance regarding his medical history. “So if Dyer does come to Upton Park it will be on West Ham’s terms and not Newcastle United’s.”" In that case kindly fuck off then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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