madras Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 thinking about it another way,if it's true that ashley got personally involved is that good ? and then is it good he's prepared to lose a sale to stand a point of,as he may see,principal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 thinking about it another way,if it's true that ashley got personally involved is that good ? and then is it good he's prepared to lose a sale to stand a point of,as he may see,principal ? I think it is good that he is prepared to make a hard decision regardless of the timing of it..... so long as it is justifyable. We probably wont ever know the reasons why but going on the assumption that he became aware of some information that he wasnt happy about (and wasnt previously aware of), then I am glad he is tough enough to do what he has done. Only time will tell if it was a twatish decision or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 thinking about it another way,if it's true that ashley got personally involved is that good ? and then is it good he's prepared to lose a sale to stand a point of,as he may see,principal ? I think it is good that he is prepared to make a hard decision regardless of the timing of it..... so long as it is justifyable. We probably wont ever know the reasons why but going on the assumption that he became aware of some information that he wasnt happy about (and wasnt previously aware of), then I am glad he is tough enough to do what he has done. Only time will tell if it was a twatish decision or not. in a way it could be seen that he's took principle over cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 in a way it could be seen that he's took principle over cash That's up to him, as long as he doesn't get involved in saying when we have to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 in a way it could be seen that he's took principle over cash That's up to him, as long as he doesn't get involved in saying when we have to sell. well he will,he has to if necessary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 well he will,he has to if necessary He shouldn't have to if the bloke he's employed is doing a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 mr alan curbishley........maybe,just maybe we bumped you cos we dislike being called "noocarsel" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 "Noocarsew" you mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Amy Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 mr alan curbishley........maybe,just maybe we bumped you cos we dislike being called "noocarsel" That's it. But now he's "got the 'amp" (hump? ) translation : gutted lyke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a shit if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little bastard for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 From all the reasons i have read regarding this issue, i reckon dyer asking for a 2m loyalty bonus would annoy me more than anything if it turned out to be true. After the wages we have given him over the years and the little production we have gotten from it as well as him saying he is unhappy would make this the biggest piss take i've seen. I'm sure someone will sign him but I would NEVER give him a 2m loyalty bonus ffs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a shit if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little bastard for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated You need to add Owen to that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowndsy Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a s*** if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little b****** for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated You need to add Owen to that list. when fit. owen scores. so adds somethign to the team. i also feel dyer adds to the team if brought on as a sub late on in a game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a s*** if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little b****** for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated You need to add Owen to that list. when fit. owen scores. so adds somethign to the team. i also feel dyer adds to the team if brought on as a sub late on in a game He hasn`t scored since 2005 not including the friendly goal for obvious reasons . We don`t really know if he is going to keep breaking down now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a s*** if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little b****** for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated You need to add Owen to that list. when fit. owen scores. so adds somethign to the team. i also feel dyer adds to the team if brought on as a sub late on in a game He hasn`t scored since 2005 not including the friendly goal for obvious reasons . We don`t really know if he is going to keep breaking down now. when owen is fit he scores, never been in doubt, thus he's a totally different prospect to dyer who produces virtually the same whether he's fit or unfit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 thinking about it another way,if it's true that ashley got personally involved is that good ? and then is it good he's prepared to lose a sale to stand a point of,as he may see,principal ? I think if ashleys got involved for anything other than financial reasons then I dont think its good. From the looks of it its for exactly that though, so I'd say he's entitled to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a s*** if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little b****** for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated You need to add Owen to that list. when fit. owen scores. so adds somethign to the team. i also feel dyer adds to the team if brought on as a sub late on in a game He hasn`t scored since 2005 not including the friendly goal for obvious reasons . We don`t really know if he is going to keep breaking down now. when owen is fit he scores, never been in doubt, thus he's a totally different prospect to dyer who produces virtually the same whether he's fit or unfit Hopefully Owen will continue to do well but who knows, he has been out virtually 2 years and is out again. I just feel he should be in the Baba and Dyer catergory. If given equal opportunity I feel Martins will out score Owen this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 This question of a loyalty bonus may be the explanation. I doubt whether we'd have suddenly jacked the price up at the last minute, for no reasons other than trying to screw West Ham for more money. As with Barton, it sounds like this issue of a bonus arose at the last minute, with the usual argument about who should pay it, or whether it should be paid at all. It seems to happen with other transfers (eg Ferguson) It looks to me like we've treated Dyer well over this. We've respected his wish to move, and possibly accepted the fact that he may have been tapped up by West Ham. If he then demands this money, you can well imagine Ashley saying that West Ham should pay it or the deal's off. He seems to make decisions quickly, and assuming they said no, he then pulled out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 love how people are trying to put a positive spin on this, we've just figuratively taken a revolver and blown our brains all over the carpet if dyer had gone we were then only 2 unfit, inept and overpaid players away from being able to start afresh and anew to me only three players in the squad (dyer, baba, carr) combine the specical features of being perpetually unfit, virtually useless when fit and also being paid proposterous wages for their returns we have a manager who could get replacements for these clowns for relatively low fees and we'd wipe a huge stain off the wage bill and the squad who gives a s*** if west ham tapped him up? you kick off when teams tap up the players you want, not the ones you don't!!!! allardyce obviously doesn't want/need him so why the hell does ashley care we'll have this little b****** for another season now guaranteed, or maybe someone will loan him for wages only but i don't see who owners come and go at nufc but the fuckups continue unabated You need to add Owen to that list. when fit. owen scores. so adds somethign to the team. i also feel dyer adds to the team if brought on as a sub late on in a game He hasn`t scored since 2005 not including the friendly goal for obvious reasons . We don`t really know if he is going to keep breaking down now. when owen is fit he scores, never been in doubt, thus he's a totally different prospect to dyer who produces virtually the same whether he's fit or unfit Hopefully Owen will continue to do well but who knows, he has been out virtually 2 years and is out again. I just feel he should be in the Baba and Dyer catergory. If given equal opportunity I feel Martins will out score Owen this year. dunno how you can write that with a straight face to be honest - you're talking about putting englands second (or third) all time goalscorer with baba and dyer the ONLY thing they have in common is persistent injuries....ability-wise they're in different leagues entirely therefore firmly not in the same category Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sombrero Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 guys please explain something as i read through the entire thread and im still confused, why is he asking for a compensation of 2 million?, what are we compensating for? i know its similar to bartons case but i didint understand the purpose of that either?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I doubt there is an ounce of truth in the 2 million story. But apparently some players have written into their contracts a 'loyalty bonus' if the club decides to sell them. And one would assume, in a fair and just world, it's really only applicable if the player doesn't really want to leave; which also doesn't apply in this case. Best consider it a rubbish story until we know better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 guys please explain something as i read through the entire thread and im still confused, why is he asking for a compensation of 2 million?, what are we compensating for? i know its similar to bartons case but i didint understand the purpose of that either?? Theres no official answer as yet mate. My guess would be that because Dyer didnt officially ask for a transfer that entitles him to some sort of payment and that Ashley wasnt willing to pay it without getting that cash from West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 If this is the case (and there's no evidence that it is true... yet) then Dyer had two choices in my opinion: 1. Simply tell both WH and the Toon that he was willing to wave his right to his loyalty bonus (and that's a joke considering he was the one who wanted to move). 2. Put in a transfer request. If Dyer isn't prepared to do either of these then to me, that proves that this has all been about the money and fuck all about family reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I doubt very much that we've upped the price, I think the deal has collapsed because Dyer wants a Barton type payment, and West Ham have refused to pay it like we did with Barton, while we've refused to pay Dyer like City did with Barton, so the player's been recalled back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 If Dire had a loyalty clause in his contract surely this would have been discussed before it got to the stage of almost putting pen to paper and finalising the move to West Ham. Sounds to me like our new Chairman has been outwitted by Dire and his agent by not anticipating that Dire would want the "loyalty" bonus irrespective of the fact that Dire engineered the circumstances to get the move in the first place. I know it's all speculation at this stage but this scenario would fit with Dires' greed and desire to shaft the club one last time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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