madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. hope thats true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 To me the broken promises relate to pushing on to challenge when he came here rather than anything personal. 'I have suffered with the team, with the fall two years ago and have to be realistic. Newcastle is not working well, has made promises it has failed and I am ambitious' Sounds like he was sold on a team on the up and got what we now know has been a pretty shitty ride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 As has been mentioned, if anything reading the full interview makes me feel slightly better. Interesting to note that he considers 44 points as the level required for safety this year. The reference to broken promises isn't good though. sure barton mentioned 42. wonder what the broken promises are ?. can't see them being softer bog roll in the netty. Think Colo said in an interview that 42 points was the target too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 To me the broken promises relate to pushing on to challenge when he came here rather than anything personal. 'I have suffered with the team, with the fall two years ago and have to be realistic. Newcastle is not working well, has made promises it has failed and I am ambitious' Sounds like he was sold on a team on the up and got what we now know has been a pretty shitty ride. aye, same happened to Colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. We don't get any parachute payment, because we went straight back up. IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I reckon the higher we finish up the table this season the better chance we have of keeping him. IMO he could still be convinced to sign a new deal if we end the season brightly and promise new signings in the summer. Could even offer to sell him the summer after once he's signed if we either don't bring in new players or fail to build on this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 To me the broken promises relate to pushing on to challenge when he came here rather than anything personal. 'I have suffered with the team, with the fall two years ago and have to be realistic. Newcastle is not working well, has made promises it has failed and I am ambitious' Sounds like he was sold on a team on the up and got what we now know has been a pretty shitty ride. quite possibly, aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. We don't get any parachute payment, because we went straight back up. so have we been given any tele money so far for this season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugatu Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Do you think there team to get into Europe League? You never know but it is very difficult. That was the first goal of the season, What?? Our goal for the season was to get into Europe? Now it becomes clear why Hughton was sacked, we were sitting midtable when he went. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm fairly sure we still get parachute payments, just they are reduced a fair bit cos we went up first time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. So the club needs to start making moves. We don't have to wait until the summer to sign players, lets get cracking. true we don't have to but it's not really in the selling clubs interest to cut out others by doing business this early. Fair point, but even if they feel like that at least we've made approaches, have already given a fair offer and the player knows of our interest. All the ground work is in, if the player and agent like it it may force the club in to action leaving a lot of other suitors on the back foot and may not have funds available to make their move. It will also give Ipswich a chance to size up their options early in the summer with £8m or so in the bank ready to spend, quite a bit for any Championship club who's been hanging around that league beyond parachute payments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm fairly sure we still get parachute payments, just they are reduced a fair bit cos we went up first time? No we don't get them, they are divided between the rest of the clubs in the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. We don't get any parachute payment, because we went straight back up. so have we been given any tele money so far for this season ? Huh? I assume so, yes. I meant that I'm sure I read that clubs falling from the Premier League don't receive a parachute payment if they go straight back up (the money is split between the football league). Makes sense if you think about it, otherwise clubs like West Brom could make a living out of doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm not up to speed with what constitutes European qualification this season... would we need Arsenal to win the Carling Cup and the FA Cup final to be contested by two top 5 sides for it to drop to 7th place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. So the club needs to start making moves. We don't have to wait until the summer to sign players, lets get cracking. true we don't have to but it's not really in the selling clubs interest to cut out others by doing business this early. Fair point, but even if they feel like that at least we've made approaches, have already given a fair offer and the player knows of our interest. All the ground work is in, if the player and agent like it it may force the club in to action leaving a lot of other suitors on the back foot and may not have funds available to make their move. It will also give Ipswich a chance to size up their options early in the summer with £8m or so in the bank ready to spend, quite a bit for any Championship club who's been hanging around that league beyond parachute payments. thats probably whats happening right now. to jose,tiote and barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm not up to speed with what constitutes European qualification this season... would we need Arsenal to win the Carling Cup and the FA Cup final to be contested by two top 5 sides for it to drop to 7th place? Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 In fact I think only one top five side needs to reach the FA Cup final because the runner-up doesn't get Europe any more, it goes to the next league place. I think... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 In fact I think only one top five side needs to reach the FA Cup final because the runner-up doesn't get Europe any more, it goes to the next league place. I think... Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The difference between Europa League and relegation this season will be tiny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 1st - Champions League proper 2nd - Champions League proper 3rd - Champions League qualifier 4th - Champions League qualifier 5th - Europa League FA Cup winner - Europa League if club has not already qualified for Europe, otherwise 6th place gets it League Cup winner - Europa League if club has not already qualified for Europe, otherwise 7th (or 6th) place gets it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. hope thats true. Yes it is it. The summer after relegation we would of collected our SKY/ESPN TV money + our league placement money. The summer after promotion we would of collected our SKY/BBC TV money + FL prizemoney + 16m parachute payment. This year with domestic & overseas tv deals + each league place worth approx £750K more than the place below them various news sites reckon the bottom club with get £40 million with the champions getting around £60million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. We don't get any parachute payment, because we went straight back up. IIRC. I am sure we would of got paid it for the season we went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 7th spot qualifies for Europa League too if positions 5 or 6 is the Europa League winner iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I wonder how many points we'll need before we are considered 'safe' enough for the proper planning of next season (including opening contract negotiations with these players) can begin. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/08/chris-hughton-newcastle-premier-league Chris Hughton is confident that Newcastle United will reap the rewards of an early promotion back to the Premier League in the transfer market, with the manager believing he has gained a crucial advantage in planning for next season. Newcastle have been promoted with five games to spare in the Championship and, despite Hughton's attempts to keep the focus on securing the Championship title, he has already begun to look at what needs to be done to ensure the club have the best chance of surviving in the top flight. 8/4/10 to 16/8/10 = 3 players signed before the season started, 2 frees and one for £2m? None of them signed as starters, one of whom was unfit for a month and one who would be injured for the majority of the season. Touché. And then a few more came in later in the window like Moyo, Ben Arfa, and Tiote. Come on UV, we may have had all the time in the world to plan, but I think it's fair to say a lot of players and clubs will hold out for as long as possible to see if any better offers/clubs come in. There is no reason at all to believe negotiations didn't begin well before any deals were actually finalised. 5? I count 2, and one of those almost turned up on our doorstep by accident. Stealth edit I see. The point was about early planning for the next season. I'd only call Tiote & Perch scouted and planned buys, Gosling & Campbell were opportunistic signings, and Ben Arfa just landed at our door (quite literally). I'd say we've been very, very fortunate with the way things have turned out this season rather than it's come about through great planning. Do you remember how well we planned over the Summer for our year in the Championship too? I remeber how we planned to be sold that summer which didn't exactly help. Nevertheless, we did enough to get straight back out of the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Ben Arfa didn't just randomly decide to fly to Newcastle though, did he? Can't believe he just stuck a pin in the map and tried to sign for whatever club he hit. We must have contacted the relevant people and made an approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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