colinmk Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Must be just me not bothered by that big club comment, then. We've proved through our penny pinching and key player sales that we're not even attempting to become 'big'. We certainly aren't now. i'm not bothered about it in the slightest, he's 110% correct and under this regime we will never be one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Always thought he was s****. Agreed. Glad he left, but still depressed that it was for such a low fee. He clearly didn't want to be here, but the talks going from £12m to £6m in two months is just depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Must be just me not bothered by that big club comment, then. We've proved through our penny pinching and key player sales that we're not even attempting to become 'big'. We certainly aren't now. Well Pardew keeps reminding us that we are no longer a big club and to remember our place down amongst the lesser teams in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I can't believe we didn't even make a profit from selling him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Never ceases to amaze me that people take any notice whatsoever of comments or behaviour when players join or leave us. It's just soundbites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Must be just me not bothered by that big club comment, then. We've proved through our penny pinching and key player sales that we're not even attempting to become 'big'. We certainly aren't now. We know the score but Jose should keep things like that to himself IMO. Disrespectful to a lot of people who thought the world of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Always thought he was s****. Agreed. Glad he left, but still depressed that it was for such a low fee. He clearly didn't want to be here, but the talks going from £12m to £6m in two months is just depressing. Doesn't get me excited either, just he should have shown a bit more respect for his former fans but ultimately he is right. The classless twat!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Bad times. I liked Jose a lot but have no time at all for the dippers. Hopefully his chronic hamstring injury will keep popping up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I can't believe we didn't even make a profit from selling him. In accounting terms he was worth 6 million when he first signed but with one year left on his contract he was worth 1/4 or 1/5 of 6 million depending on whether he signed a 4 or 5 year contract. Actually think it was 5 so valued at 6/5 = 1.2 million in the accounts. Is that right accounts blokes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Far more concerned with our inability to replace him rather than some childish throwaway comment to his new public. It can only be quantified as 'inability' if they had actually tried and failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Urgh. Pretty sick about this like. Cannot blame Jose though, he's 100% right, it just leaves a bit of a sour taste that he's been making up excuses/lies over tha past 6 month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I can't believe we didn't even make a profit from selling him. In accounting terms he was worth 6 million when he first signed but with one year left on his contract he was worth 1/4 or 1/5 of 6 million depending on whether he signed a 4 or 5 year contract. Actually think it was 5 so valued at 6/5 = 1.2 million in the accounts. Is that right accounts blokes? Could very well be, depending on your chosen policy of accounting Players don't really have straight-line depreciation though, and I would have thought Jose Enrique's fair value would have gone up since he was signed, which would increase the depreciation charge per year and the value of that last remaining year. Don't think accounting really works with players though. You'd have to look at cashflows etc, - it's basically an unworthwhile schlep to calculate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I can't believe we didn't even make a profit from selling him. In accounting terms he was worth 6 million when he first signed but with one year left on his contract he was worth 1/4 or 1/5 of 6 million depending on whether he signed a 4 or 5 year contract. Actually think it was 5 so valued at 6/5 = 1.2 million in the accounts. Is that right accounts blokes? Could very well be, depending on your chosen policy of accounting Players don't really have straight-line depreciation though, and I would have thought Jose Enrique's fair value would have gone up since he was signed, which would increase the depreciation charge per year and the value of that last remaining year. Don't think accounting really works with players though. You'd have to look at cashflows etc, - it's basically an unworthwhile schlep to calculate I always thought that for the accounts if a player signs for 5 million on a 5 year contract he'd be worth 4m after 1 year, 3m after 2, 2m after 3 and so on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Must be just me not bothered by that big club comment, then. We've proved through our penny pinching and key player sales that we're not even attempting to become 'big'. We certainly aren't now. We know the score but Jose should keep things like that to himself IMO. Disrespectful to a lot of people who thought the world of him. But Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in England & the world - got nothing to do with Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Hope he gets a hammy in his first game and out for 6 mths or bum raped by wingers at every opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Good luck to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 No need for the big club comment in that interview. Agreed, quite an unnecessarily dickish thing to say. I'm glad he said it, it was obvious he was tapped up by the the scouse scum ages ago, despite the hand wringing going on in here. Fuck off and good riddance. So obvious and yet we were caught completely by surprise and couldn't get a replacement. I think we are trying to get a replacement. It could have been done better but getting players in for the fees and wages we are prepared to pay is not the easiest task. Whether we should be upping fees and wages is a different topic altogether. I'd like to think we could but I'm no accountant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewellander Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I don't blame him for going and I wish him the best because he was a good player for us. But, it bothers me that he complained about the lack of ambition at our club, when he wasn't exactly a world beater when we signed him. He was given the time to develop at our club after being a player involved in our relegation season. He can say what he wants about the quality of players we have now, but many of them are more experienced than he was when we signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Will wish him good luck.... but fully intend to boo the tits off him when they come up here as I am sure many will.... yes loads may frown upon that but if in any way it upsets/unsettles him during the game than all the better for us. Its not about hating hi its about trying to gain us any advantage we can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I think we effed up with him, but the main mistake was being too wary of playing him in the relegation season and before. The net result was that we also pissed off N'Zogbia by playing him left back instead. Once we were relegated and he played regularly, Jose really shone, but it was still only the Championship. That meant that with two years left on his contract, he was still untested in the Prem. Once he proved he was a capable Prem player, there was too little left on his contract for the club to have a strong negotiating position, leaving him free to get the deal he's been pushing for pretty much since January. With better use and man management, I think N'Zogbia and Enrique would still be here. Its a kick in the knackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 With better use and man management, I think N'Zogbia and Enrique would still be here. Its a kick in the knackers. Supporting this club under its current ownership is a constant stream of kicks to the pods, we'll just end up like that martial arts guy from Kick Ass Moves or whatever programme he was on who can take it without flinching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Stephen927 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Can't fault the player for having ambition. If the club had showed some of it we might still have a quality player on our books. Hopefully we'll pick up an adequate replacement on the cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I think we effed up with him, but the main mistake was being too wary of playing him in the relegation season and before. The net result was that we also pissed off N'Zogbia by playing him left back instead. Once we were relegated and he played regularly, Jose really shone, but it was still only the Championship. That meant that with two years left on his contract, he was still untested in the Prem. Once he proved he was a capable Prem player, there was too little left on his contract for the club to have a strong negotiating position, leaving him free to get the deal he's been pushing for pretty much since January. With better use and man management, I think N'Zogbia and Enrique would still be here. Its a kick in the knackers. It should be mentioned that neither Fat Sam or Keegan really managed either player very well. It's easy to say it's the owners fault but playing Duff the Puff on left wing and using Zog at left back was a big factor in Zog leaving and obviously Enrique was frozen out despite most of us spotting his obvious quality almost from the first day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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