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I think people predicting them to finish with a record low number of points are off tbh. Their football is way more suited to a PL relegation battle than Southampton, who came up and tried to play football or Sheffield United who were completely figured out under Wilder and he couldn't adapt. They sit in deep and hit teams on the break at pace. That alone will allow them to pick up results here and there. I think Le Bris fairly tactically astute too. Not that they'll stay up like, they'll go down without too much of a fight imo but I don't think it'll be an embarrassment.

Akliouche was Monaco's player of the season? Ekitike ironically is a good case in point, by your own affirmation had a sensational season and is valued at just over £70m which includes a premium as a striker and yet is valued around Pedro's range...what's his value going to be should he replicate that in the PL? As for flipping lesser known talent into high value sales being rare? Well, isnt that exactly what alot of Europe do? Milan, Dortmund, RB, the big Portugal sides, Lyon, Napoli, Lille, Atlanta to name a few, add Brighton, Brentford and even Bournemouth to the mix if you like and you have a significant number of excellent clubs who are consistently identifying undervalued talent, developing them and turning them over for significant sums of money which in most cases are still under their actual value.

It was also a gamble by a club facing low stakes. Finish anywhere from 9th in the league to 17th and it doesn't matter. Its important for us to be in the CL. Dropping one never mind two places is not an option.

Aye, Liverpool were very much a 'cup' team in my life (36) until Klopp imo. They had the odd flirt with the title under Benitez & famously with Rodgers. The Klopp appointment changed everything there for sure & it just shows what the right appointment can do for a club. They're an absolute monster now, like they were before my day - or so me fatha tells me. But that's only really changed in the last decade I reckon, even under Rodgers in 2014 the consensus was that they were massively overachieving.

I hear you but that could apply to every potential signing which makes it a mostly redundant point (unless it's clearly apparent as it is with some players) I can only judge on talent

Pre-FSG - they were a long way away from the revenues of Arsenal and Man U. Didn't maximise their global reach. FSG have realised Liverpool's potential as a properly elite club. There was 20-30% of unrealised potential for 30-odd years.

After last summer and what came out afterwards, I can fully believe it tbh.

The Stack extension being reported in the Chronicle now, and was hoping the Stadium Truth would have Emerged and Spoke Volumes about the Plans that will Surprise You. But alas nothing

I'm not saying they'll stay up, just saying I fancy them to get a result against West Ham.

Of course strange results can occasionally happen but recently even teams which have been promoted automatically, on merit over the season, have struggled terribly to bridge the huge gap in quality. Sunderland finished 24 points behind the automatic places and 16 behind the team in third position. In both play off ties the other teams looked better than them, but they somehow fluked it, assisted massively by horrendous errors which led to them scoring. They may fluke a win against West Ham as well but their players are light years away from being PL standard.

It does just sound like after missing out on Freedman, Eales went to a mate and asked for a favour, without really considering the ramifications.

It's definitely a game you'd want to kick off a gruelling season, but as I said yesterday I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham won at a bit of a canter. The most talented 11 players on the pitch will all be West Ham players, that's a fact. Anything can happen in a one-off game, but the gulf in quality is still absolutely massive. With the exception of maybe Leeds & Burnley - and despite what the mackems might tell you - there isn't 1 sunderland player that would start for any other Premier League side. They will strengthen for sure, but as will everybody else. If anything it would be quite funny to watch them get giddy from beating West Ham & how this PL is 'easy marra', only to be sick of their lives by the time we roll into town in December. They're priced at 2/9 with Paddy Power to be relegated. I've looked for a while but can't find any odds to stay up, but I will be interested to see what they're priced as. You have to go back to 2013 to find a side that's been promoted with less points than sunderland achieved last year. I know it's all relative based on the performance of the other teams in the league, but they're a poor side who will be lucky to get anywhere near 40pts. I'm sure I read they only won 5 or so games by more than 1 goal, which is quite telling.

If Dan was a rat, what is Mitchell? Feel like this has been the sum total of his efforts

Now it does or at least will from August. How many of the past 20yrs has Paris had more than PSG in the top flight.

Annoying as it is as we strive to catch up no point worrying about it. I’ve always believed he will stay this summer and either sign a new contract end of the window when he’s seen who’ve we’ve signed or the club starts a bidding war if they feel they need to next summer with 2 years left on contract. As long as it attitude and application are good I couldn’t see us losing much value even with 12 months on his contract. Just gambling on a contract run down when that close. His current contract puts the power in our hands rather than him and his agents with no buyout clause. Extending and adding one wouldn’t necessarily be to our benefit unless the figure is £160+m as you’ve the barometer of Wirtz deal now to compare and contrast against.

The reality is we need to be making the type of signings that’ll convince players like Isak, Bruno, Tonali want to stay. So far I don’t think we’ve even been linked with those type of signings.

I doubt it's true tbh.

Very much does have another top flight club. In fact, they play next door to PSG.

I think the ethnic mix of Paris now as compared to a few decades ago might have changed that historical view a bit though. Those with African or north African heritage tend to follow football ahead of other sports so I don't really see PSG becoming a small time club again. But if Le Pen grabs power who knows. They might re-nationalise the French league and start using Parc de Princes to sell goats and pigs in the not too distant future.

if he leaves for a PL team I'd boo the fuck out of him (immature, yes.) if he goes abroad and we face him in a game then cheers all round.

So it seems are some on here!

Fancy them to do West Ham tbh.

I can seem him and Nicklas Jackson getting on like a house on fire

O’nines decline will be a brilliant watch, a bit like watching him walk with dog poo during a full interview.