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if so does that also mean that shepherd didn't actually back anyone as he wasn't using his own money but building up corporate debt while taking a healthy wedge out ?

in fact you could say he has put in even more than his predecessor took out.

Ashley isn't the bestest chairman in the whole world, he isn't even chairman. You're desperate to see us fail. I don't think so somehow. I suppose you were desperate to see Shepherd fail just because he called you nasty names ? You certainly appear to think he's been replaced by someone else who think is better on account of buying people a pint and wearing his shirt at games - both actions nothing other than a PR gimmick. We will wait until Ashley hopefully at least equals those Champions League finishes before saying he's even "as good". Well, the sensible people around will anyway. if he wiped out the clubs debt,out of his own pocket how would that lie with you ?

bit like the first time i went to a newcastle match and supported a player younger than myself. (paul ferris)

So it could be better rather than worse for them not much has actually changed as egg head only had 5% and the fella buying them was the vast majority share holder already

as good a manager as england could get. however i still think fifa should change the managerial qualification requirements to be the same as the players. (ie a national of the country concerned)

cue rumours of ashley to sell n ufc in bid to buy rangers/celtic (delete as unappropriate)

you are a land crab.now stop whining.

I recognise pace is important though Pie, I just don't regard it as very important so long as a player has other tools at his disposal which Milner obviously does, and despite his lack of pace he's not doing too bad. My argument isn't with you or the debate about Milner being good enough or not anyway, but with the mentality within the game that pace is a must have and the effects that's having on youth football, or rather the detrimental effect it's having. He doesn't though. That is the point. Solano clearly did. Milner clearly doesn't. If he did have then there wouldn't be a debate. Pace has always been useful by the way. Its not a new thing. JET Milburn springs to mind. If pace wasnt necessary then ask Bobby Robson why he always bought it/used it. From Alan Brazil to Gary Lineker (yes he was lightning in his prime) to Ronaldo to Craig Bellamy. Same applies to Alex Ferguson and Wenger. Would you say they were successful managers? Of course other things are useful. However, it is daft to suggest it is a new phenomenon. The game is more physical and way faster. Without pace, people struggle nowadays. Particularly in the Prem. However, its nothing new. Ask Kevin Keegan why he retired. Didn't Sir Bob buy Milner ?? Look i know you don't like Milner whilst i really rate the lad. I can't see your point of view at all really. Milner is a credit to our club and is a good talent as is Zoggy and Taylor imo. I don't think i'll be able to change your mind so i'm not going to bother. You are quite right. Apart from people who are a credit to the club are those who do well for it by making a significant difference. Therein lies the rub. Freddie Shepherd bought him by the way. SBR signed Fumaca, he wasnt infallible! SBR also signed Ronaldo etc Pie you don't half talk alot of s*** Freddy bought him because SBR wanted him. SBR didn't buy him cause he's s***. I've also seen Waddle play plenty of times and Milner is probably at least as fast as him possibly faster. Milner isn't as quick as lennon SWP Dyer etc that doesn't make him slow, they are all just very quick. Viduka would be my idea of slow. Hence the You seem to have proven that you didnt see him in his stint at St James. Utter nonsense tbh Unfortunately you fail to see how many times Waddler could simply outpace teams from the half way line. Something Milner simply isnt capable of. Example? Aston Villa in 1984 comes to mind. He did John Anderson for pace when he was at Tottenham too and despite Andos flaws he was the quickest in the squad at the time. To suggest that Milner is possibly faster is like saying Freddie Mercury was heterosexual tbh It would be an interesting race between Viana and Milner. Certainly both lacked pace. Certainly Viana had a way more productive spell out wide in 2003 than Milner has ever had. He was pretty average out there as well as well mind. The difference is that Viana isnt at his best out wide. Not that he was much cop elsewhere. i saw waddle at SJP (for and against) and he WAS NOT a speedster he had technique and nouse but never had the pace to just take someone on for pace. anderson quickest in our squad ?? as for vianas being more productive then milner in that position you have convinced me you'll lie to win an argument. Waddle was way way quicker than you give him credit for. Anderson was indeed being the quickest in the sqaud at the time. I am sure you knew that though. PM me if youre interested in more info. From your description of Waddle I am doubting you saw him from 1982 -85. Were you at the those games or just making it up? Terry Mac makes some very intersting comments about Waddlers pace too. He looked knackered but even at 30 odd but he still managed to outpace people for Wednesday. As for Viana? His productive spell at the beginning of 2003 was ok. Nothing that Milner has done will convince even the most myopic that there is any real difference. I am sure you can make a direct comparison between Waddle vs Villa in 1984 (at home, we won 3-0) and Milner versus who? Even Waddles England debut goal puts Milners lack of pace into perspective. yup i was there those seasons so don't doubt it and i stand by what i said. he relied vastly on technique and very parely pace. he was quicker than he looked but not a speedster.(in fact i'm struggling to remember waddle over taking anyone or standing level with someone and beating them purely for pace) as for viana if you can't see the difference then it's because you don't want to. for the last bit at what point did i compare waddle as a player to milner ? waddle was one of the most underrated players england has produced in my lifetime

I recognise pace is important though Pie, I just don't regard it as very important so long as a player has other tools at his disposal which Milner obviously does, and despite his lack of pace he's not doing too bad. My argument isn't with you or the debate about Milner being good enough or not anyway, but with the mentality within the game that pace is a must have and the effects that's having on youth football, or rather the detrimental effect it's having. He doesn't though. That is the point. Solano clearly did. Milner clearly doesn't. If he did have then there wouldn't be a debate. Pace has always been useful by the way. Its not a new thing. JET Milburn springs to mind. If pace wasnt necessary then ask Bobby Robson why he always bought it/used it. From Alan Brazil to Gary Lineker (yes he was lightning in his prime) to Ronaldo to Craig Bellamy. Same applies to Alex Ferguson and Wenger. Would you say they were successful managers? Of course other things are useful. However, it is daft to suggest it is a new phenomenon. The game is more physical and way faster. Without pace, people struggle nowadays. Particularly in the Prem. However, its nothing new. Ask Kevin Keegan why he retired. Didn't Sir Bob buy Milner ?? Look i know you don't like Milner whilst i really rate the lad. I can't see your point of view at all really. Milner is a credit to our club and is a good talent as is Zoggy and Taylor imo. I don't think i'll be able to change your mind so i'm not going to bother. You are quite right. Apart from people who are a credit to the club are those who do well for it by making a significant difference. Therein lies the rub. Freddie Shepherd bought him by the way. SBR signed Fumaca, he wasnt infallible! SBR also signed Ronaldo etc Pie you don't half talk alot of s*** Freddy bought him because SBR wanted him. SBR didn't buy him cause he's s***. I've also seen Waddle play plenty of times and Milner is probably at least as fast as him possibly faster. Milner isn't as quick as lennon SWP Dyer etc that doesn't make him slow, they are all just very quick. Viduka would be my idea of slow. Hence the You seem to have proven that you didnt see him in his stint at St James. Utter nonsense tbh Unfortunately you fail to see how many times Waddler could simply outpace teams from the half way line. Something Milner simply isnt capable of. Example? Aston Villa in 1984 comes to mind. He did John Anderson for pace when he was at Tottenham too and despite Andos flaws he was the quickest in the squad at the time. To suggest that Milner is possibly faster is like saying Freddie Mercury was heterosexual tbh It would be an interesting race between Viana and Milner. Certainly both lacked pace. Certainly Viana had a way more productive spell out wide in 2003 than Milner has ever had. He was pretty average out there as well as well mind. The difference is that Viana isnt at his best out wide. Not that he was much cop elsewhere. i saw waddle at SJP (for and against) and he WAS NOT a speedster he had technique and nouse but never had the pace to just take someone on for pace. anderson quickest in our squad ?? as for vianas being more productive then milner in that position you have convinced me you'll lie to win an argument.

good job you told us what country as we'd never have known where copenhagen was

we can all spit on him to put him out

world...... cruyff pele maradona england...... keegan cantona beardsley newcastle.... keegan waddle beardsley

I bet she's f****** hopeless if she ever has to fake an orgasm. shit...can they do that ? (as if i'm bothered)

lets get milburns statue in a better place first

robert (from the first season) on the left and ginola (from the first season) up front.

my feeling is that they're pretty intimidated by our potential, if ashley and mort get things right we could be an absolute juggernaut of a club Why would a journo be threatened by the possibilty of nufc reaching its potential? The only thing that i can think of is that nufc in recent years has been a cash cow for the number of negative incedent and has got a lot of interest from the media about it, maybe they're trying to flog a dead horse, its kinda a soap opera up here. But that doesnt really explain they're motivation to actively disrupt us. I cant think of a single club bar Chelsea that has had so much negative stuff written about them, in fact id go as far as saying no team has had more negative press in the entire history of the prem than nufc. Is that a bit OTT? it could be that the fans at other clubs don't buy the paper just cos there is a headline related to their club or they just shrug it off where as there is always a reaction from a sizeable ammount of newcastle fans.

I recognise pace is important though Pie, I just don't regard it as very important so long as a player has other tools at his disposal which Milner obviously does, and despite his lack of pace he's not doing too bad. My argument isn't with you or the debate about Milner being good enough or not anyway, but with the mentality within the game that pace is a must have and the effects that's having on youth football, or rather the detrimental effect it's having. He doesn't though. That is the point. Solano clearly did. Milner clearly doesn't. If he did have then there wouldn't be a debate. Pace has always been useful by the way. Its not a new thing. JET Milburn springs to mind. If pace wasnt necessary then ask Bobby Robson why he always bought it/used it. From Alan Brazil to Gary Lineker (yes he was lightning in his prime) to Ronaldo to Craig Bellamy. Same applies to Alex Ferguson and Wenger. Would you say they were successful managers? Of course other things are useful. However, it is daft to suggest it is a new phenomenon. The game is more physical and way faster. Without pace, people struggle nowadays. Particularly in the Prem. However, its nothing new. Ask Kevin Keegan why he retired. Didn't Sir Bob buy Milner ?? Look i know you don't like Milner whilst i really rate the lad. I can't see your point of view at all really. Milner is a credit to our club and is a good talent as is Zoggy and Taylor imo. I don't think i'll be able to change your mind so i'm not going to bother. You are quite right. Apart from people who are a credit to the club are those who do well for it by making a significant difference. Therein lies the rub. Freddie Shepherd bought him by the way. SBR signed Fumaca, he wasnt infallible! SBR also signed Ronaldo etc Pie you don't half talk alot of s*** Freddy bought him because SBR wanted him. SBR didn't buy him cause he's s***. I've also seen Waddle play plenty of times and Milner is probably at least as fast as him possibly faster. Milner isn't as quick as lennon SWP Dyer etc that doesn't make him slow, they are all just very quick. Viduka would be my idea of slow. viana would be my idea of slow. who signed him ?

That would be a hard choice for me, both were class players and both would make a massive difference to our current team. Stick Ginola on the right. didn't work when keegan tried it at away at everton

i watched the newcastle game yesterday. which game were you watching ?

should've....would've......didn't ! 2-1.

after withdrawing £32 for the chriistmas fund (yes it got that had). i have put back i £20...put £10 on st entienne v metz...game in at 1/2

no you cant say that. rozenhal is the new boo bramble boy doncha know ?

i really can't nominate only 3.

technically you could say the arrival of o'brien and the emergnce of hughes blah blah blah above ?