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We have actually got a decent chance of winning this now. If we buck our ideas up.

Wahey, 13 seconds on ITV! They'll only show the last two pens...

First luck we've had this seaosn. Fucking disgraceful performance by the manager, though. We dominate the first half, playing really well - so he tells them to sit back and let Watford equalise. Then, he doesn't make any subsitutions even when we can't score to save our life. He leaves us with no strikers on the field come the end. Yeah, we won - but my God we were lucky. Pathetic. Roeder out!

If he hadn't changed the tactics at half time, and actually continued playing football like we were in the first half, we wouldn't be needing this thread and we'd probably be comfortably in the lead. Another pathetic performance from the manager.

Because he only cares about England apparantely.

Carr and Babayaro. For fuck's sake. :wullie: And no Luque again. Really, really have to feel sorry for the guy and i hope for his sake that he does leave in January. Absolutely pathetic, Roeder. Watford 2-0 Newcastle

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Benitez got Nunez from Valencia n'all.

Navarro and Distin in January, for minimal fees, probably around £5m or so. Good business i reckon, and it's more bodies in an area where we desperately need more bodies.

Yeah whatever. Why Indigo, and not Violet or Purple?

But HTL, spending cash could mean spending £1/2/3m. Which is nowt really... a few of games' gate receipts effectively and it's not going to send us into crippling debt come next season, which ever division we may be in. We could improve our team greatly by spending that sort of money.

Agreed! We have goalscorers in this team. We just don't have a manager that brings the best out of them, nor who can play the suitable tactics to show the best of their ability.

That's what i've been saying. We have a decent, capable team, with good players - and then it varies to average players, to those with potential. We need a manager who will bring the best out of those players. O'Neill would have been absolutely perfect for that, and you can see how he's done it at Villa. And everywhere else he's gone. Unfortunately, we don't have that manager.

I don't think we really need to 'splash the cash'. We could go ou tand improve the squad by bringing 5 or 6 numbers in, but i still feel that we have a team capable of staying in this division - and i still think think we will do. £1m on someone like Viduka and £2m on Distin would improve those two areas considerably. It's tempting to go out and spend in January, and i'll probably huff and puff if we don't, but we probably don't really need to. Kind of an in-between of the scenarios, HTL, sorry.

I'm all for trying one or two youngsters out, from the bench at most. Pointless starting them. Arsenal 7-0 Boro Under-18s. Tells its own story really. I know Watford aren't exactly Arsenal, but they're a Premiership team and if we blooded a team full of our youth players (whom most people on here know fuck all about, one of them being me), Watford would beat us comfortably, and the players would be demoralised. Even more than they already are. I want to see more of the likes of Pattison and Huntington and maybe Carroll, because they have been impressive in the reserves and in the youth teams, and in the first team in Pattison's case. But to be starting a load of them? Suicidal in my opinion.

Now i've seen the squad list: Srnicek Taylor --- Ramage --- Moore --- Duff Milner --- Emre --- Butt --- N'Zogbia Rossi --- Luque Subs: Harper, Carr, Huntington, Solano, Pattison, Parker, Sibierski I wanted to change the defense anyway as i desperately wanted to see Ramage at centre-back again. The thing was, i didn't want Babayaro playing. However, i'd forgotten how well Duff had played at left-back so it fitted nicely. Only other changes were the keeper (Harper isn't fit and if Pav doesn't play now, when will he?), and Emre for Dyer. It all depended on whether Dyer was fit or not.

Honestly can't describe to you how much i despise Arsene Wenger.

Realistically... Moritz Volz - £1m ... Decent, capable right-back available on the cheap. Better than Carr, but not better than Taylor. I'd have Taylor as our first choice right-back. Sylvain Distin - £2m ... Good defender, a leader at the back which we crave for. Available on the cheap due to contract problems. Wayne Bridge - £3m ... Top-class left-back. David Nugent - £3m ... Rising star, i think he'll be a Darren Bent-esque hit in the Premiership, and he's been kicking ass in the Under-21s. Big fan of his. Mark Viduka - £1m ... Not brilliant, but skill ful and a presence in the box and will knab us 7 or 8 goals. And, if we still had the available funds, we could boot Bramble (finally), and bring in Matthew Upson for £3-4m. I'm a fan of his and always have been. He was always on the brink of the England squad... he has the capabilities to be a good Premiership defender. Obviously, not brilliant signings - but i'm talking realistically. And that's only £10m spent, if we discount Upson. However, our defense would be improved monumentally by those three imports, our defense really is just that bad at the moment. And Nugent is going to be a hell of a player - and is a key role in Preston's promotion push. Viduka doesn't have the legs that he once had, but he's always scored goals and is a presence in the box on the cheap. 1st Team: Taylor --- Distin --- Moore --- Bridge 2nd Team: Volz --- Upson --- Ramage --- Bernard Boot: Carr, Babayaro, Bramble.

It depends entirely on the manager. If we had a new, good manager, like Houllier or Sven or someone like that - plus a good few transfers in every department. I'd keep: Given - top class keeper Harper - decent backup Moore - experience and i think he organises our defense well Taylor - massive potential and would learn under a good manager Ramage - massive potential and would learn under a good manager Solano - experience and still has ability Milner - creative with massive potential, and would learn under a good manager Emre - good player, playing in a bad team under a bad manager Dyer - good player, playing in a bad team under a bad manager Parker - good player, playing in a bad team under a bad manager Duff - good player, playing in a bad team under a bad manager N'Zogbia - good player with potential, playing in a bad team under a bad manager Sibierski - decent backup Martins - good player, playing in a bad team under a bad manager Owen - world class Ameobi - has improved greatly This team has got the players capable. It just doesn't have the manager. Someone like O'Neill would have brought our defense and other younger players on in leaps and bounds; just look at the Villa youngsters. The Villa youngsters aren't as good as the Newcastle youngsters (or they weren't), it's just that there, they've been taught how to play. Someone like O'Neill or any other good manager would have brought the good out of our team.

I'd love Houllier. Don't know much about Daum but he's probably what the fans want.

After 11 games last season we had 15 points. Different opponents though, obviously. Aye. Harder ones.

Krul Taylor --- Bramble --- Moore --- Ramage Milner --- Dyer --- Butt --- N'Zogbia Rossi --- Luque Subs: Pav, Huntington, Bernard, Pattison, Emre, Duff, Sibierski I'm not all for seeing Krul being our number 1 goalkeeper while Given is away, but i want to see him go out on loan a bit later in the season to gain a bit mroe experience. However, i think he deserves this game on merit after his performance in midweek, and plus - it'll provide more suitors for a loan deal if he is seen more often and continues to play well. The whole defense was incredibly solid against Palermo, and although it frustrated me during the match, the wing-backs didn't get forward - which meant the defense stayed as a team in itself, and stuck together like glue. I can't fucking believe that tossers Babayaro and Carr were brought back into the team. Just another example of Roeder's total and utter cluelessness. I don't know whether Dyer will be fit or not for the game against Watford, but i severely hope so. Parker should be dropped for his diabolical, ineffective performances of late (i'm thinking Fenerbahce and Charlton aswell as yesterday). Meanwhile Butt absolutely worked his butt off against the Italians - an absolute rock in the midfield. Plus, this will allow Dyer to get forward. And if not Dyer, then Emre. The injury situation with our squad is so topsy-turvy, i don't know who we've got available in the striking department. Seeing Luque dropped didn't surprise me in the slightest - because that's just Roeder. Drop your goalscorer. I want to see more of Rossi though because i think he can do well for us while he is here, and he was great against Portsmouth. I just hope we don't play the fucking idiotic longball game again. Lightning doesn't strike twice and Luque won't be able to hold the ball up as well, and Rossi's tiny. Milner, (Dyer), Zoggy, Rossi give us pace that can run at the Watford defense - so play the ball on the bloody floor!

Probably bollocks... but how exactly is he going to get to maximum fitness without football matches? If he's fit enough to run around a reserve pitch for 90 minutes, he's fit enough to run around a Premiership one. Then it's just a case of getting his footballing ability back to the required standard - and he needs matches to do that.

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Nah, it's not diving - because there is contact and the player is clearly fouling him.