Mattoon

Sack Pardew, keep Krul?

We do need new players, we are lacking in some areas, can't fault him for noticing something a trained monkey can see. However if I was MA my concern would be what players he thinks we need, what positions will he play those new left backs in and what formation/tactics he plans to use for the first 10 minutes of every game before he reverts to 4-4-2. Giving new players to Pardew is like buying a 2 year old an iPad, they'll both be used in completely the wrong way and wrecked in a couple of weeks.

Popular opinion of football fans of other teams in my personal experience has changed considerably in the last few weeks regarding Pardew, he's been found out. Probably since the nationals have mostly changed their tune. From the outside it may have looked like the ungrateful Geordies should be happy with 8th and good ol' Pards was doing a fantastic job under difficult circumstances, but after recent form even Stevie Wonder can see our glaringly obvious managerial deficiencies. Losses can be explained, lack of form somewhat acceptable... Getting a Sunday league hiding once a week, from technically poorer sides? Pardewed, it's such common knowledge the term is being introduced to the 2014 Oxford English.

Fair bit of Hatem love/Pardew hate already on there

I'd hazard a guess that it's more than the drop from 10th to 11th and more to do with the capitulation and landslide down the table. Literally the only way we could have done worse in 2014 is to have been deducted points ffs.

There's a new record for him to break, first team in the Premiership to concede double figures in a game? Hope we get panned! Have to agree with Colo's short and curlies though, I don't think I can stomach a loss against the bin dippers in any scenario, especially if it's a title decider besides I have a bet with a scouse supporter that they won't win the Premiership!

I don't know what to think, the FCB is unpredictable at the best of times. I convince myself that hes going, why would anyone put up with the "football" on display? Even from a purely business/financial point of view he's losing money by dropping down the table, devaluing players, unable to turn youth team players into saleable assets and making us an unattractive brand to consumers and potential investors. But then I get to thinking we're exactly where he wants us to be, languishing in the doldrums of midtable mediocrity, safe from relegation and safe from the call of additional funds for European adventures. We've done it, survived another year on the last fibres of a shoestring budget, sold the last of our profitable purples and sat on the interest payments for 6 months. Money HAS to be spent, Ashley must know this, we're no longer able to survive another season without practical investment. Does he trust anti-football loving Pardew with that recruitment drive, give him until January to see if another season of survival is possible? He will more than likely lose some of his purples under market value as it's clear those with a modicum of footballing sense in the dressing room are more than disillusioned with Pardew. Or does he cut his losses and start a new season afresh with a whole new setup and keep players like Krul and HBA who will undoubtably grow in value under a better manager.

He also reinvented Michael Owen as an attacking midfielder during that run. Keegan is generally still regarded as tactically naive in our game, but he understood football at a basic level far better than most managers in England. His biggest fault in Ashley's eyes was that he wasn't prepared to run a mediocre Newcastle side. Look at the b****** we have in place now and you can see how far we've sunk. The only tactical naivity he can be accused of is playing to our strengths, playing to take the game to every opposition and not worrying about nullifying opposition players. I would put that more down to confidence and positivity however, again, not like the fraud in charge these days.

This is what irks me the most, the sheer contradictory view of the two managers, we're not one of the media darlings though. Lazy, ignorant "journalism" fuck em!

No contest, Martinez every time

LEGEND. That is all.

Pardew stays and I'll be a firm 9-10 for most of the season. Depends what he can do with the new player(s) we get in the summer before he destroys them. New player bounce is usually the only way he gets results #sustainable

Staggering these. Tempted to start a "Pardew's Unwanted Records" thread to complement his Official Excuses thread, just so there is somewhere else to point people to who say "Pardew is doing an alright job". Three Pardew threads would sadden me though. One is too many. OP should just be THE LIST On another note it's disgusting that one more season under this fraud and he'll have been here longer than Keegan was!

We have scored 3 at SJP in 2014, so if we don't score against Cardiff, we will have scored the same amount of goals at Sunderland at SJP for at least 7 months. Skewed slightly by the summer break but still incredibly poor, just another incredulously shit statistic to add to the ever growing pile.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but unless we score against Cardiff we will have scored the same amount of league goals as Sunderland at St James' Park in potentially 8-9 months (next season IF we score then)?

Good job HF

That Townsend's defence of Lampard was cringeworthy. He clearly motions his arm towards the ball "He wasn't trying to handball it." Slow-mo replay shows him throwing his shoulder out to control the ball, Townsend "He'd never purposefully handball it." Blind bias if ever I heard it, too much

Pardew has put us in some kind of desperation like. I would take pretty much anyone over Pardew right now but you have to stop and think. As HTT put it, a Moyes type of appointment would get us results and have us performing better, but who wants a slightly more resilient Pardew team? One thing has always been said about us is that we just want to be entertained, I could handle 8th place finishes if it meant we were playing attack minded, fluid football, taking the game to the opposition and playing to OUR strengths. Having a go at every team in the league, no fear. That's not much to ask right? Surely even Ashley must realise that it's no longer financially sound to back a manager that devalues players and requires a regular influx of new playing staff to ruin at every window just to survive? Ashley's blueprint of a self perpetuating club is a pipe dream with this clown in charge. Get rid of Pardew please, but just as importantly, don't replace him with like for like, even someone who's better at it. We want good football and to get the best out of his investment Ashley needs someone with a good footballing philosophy.

Hmm Yeah but all managers It's the wind

I just wanted to say the thread seems to have gotten a little off subject so... Pardew is a cunt

Oh it does.... 4) Must not finish higher than 8th place 5) Must try to go out of cup competition at earliest round/opportunity Yeah that's very true actually, you could sort of fit that into number 3. Or, change it to 'must always do as he's told'. I don't buy into that, I believe our priority is the league and Pardew cannot sustain league survival and cup games so as it's not a priority he's happy to drop out and Ashley's not arsed. However if a manager could get a run in a cup and still win league games I don't think Ashley would be arsed either. It doesn't cost us anything and we make a small amount of money from it, why would he be bothered? Once Pardew is gone we will hopefully get someone who is willing to give it a run in the cups, depends who that is though.

Shows how far we've fallen, you think we'd even consider Sherwood as youth coach if FS was still here? Not that I'm advocating the fat bastard back, we've just been well and truly Pardewed/Ashleyed! Given where we're at though, any stepping stone, any at all right now would suffice. Anyone post the Daily Mail piece about the club/fans? Nail on head I'm afraid.

Been at Blackpool Pleasure Beach all day, was hoping to come home to some good news! As it stands, he's on the ropes, he's not coping, I don't think it's long now, I'm sure of it.

Anyone old enough to remember the fabled ET game? Dubbed so bad by the critics the developers buried all the copies in a giant hole, just saying.

Taking Pardew out the question none of them deserve a bonus, so hope it's 11th, plus 3 more losses has got to put the pressure on Pardew, surely! 8 loss finish to the season?! Ain't nobody got time fo dat!