Wullie Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Remember flicking between their matches and the Bill but I hadn't seen a collapse like both Basel and Steaua offered since we dirtied ourselves in Lisbon. Fair enough because it worked but McClaren's strategy was always just to hoy a load of strikers on. They always had Maccarone, Yakubu, Hasselbaink and Viduka tripping over each other at the end before Maccarone inevitably scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 He isn't. Souness' league cup win with Blackburn eclipses anything McClaren's achieved, also. So beating Oldham, Boro, City (then in second tier), Arsenal, Sheff Wed and a Spurs side containing Ben Thatcher and Chris Perry better than taking Boro (via victories over Stuttgart, Roma and Basel) to the UEFA Cup final? Yes, winning is better than finishing 2nd. That's before you even take into account which teams listed there were taking the respective tournaments more seriously. Kuffour, Mexes, Chivu, De Rossi, Perrotta, Dacourt all started for Roma against them. But hey ho. Sorry, are you saying losing 4-0 to Sevilla in the Uefa Cup is a better achievement than wining the (admittedly shit) League Cup with Blackburn? I'm fucking bored with this shit, anyway. Anyone legitimately wanting Steve 'Derby are doing well in the Championship and he did well at Boro' McClaren over the suggested/approached realistic European options is a mong. End. Wasn't the argument though. I think the 2 League Cup wins are comparable as achievements, although I don't know the 2 respective squads off by heart admittedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I would normally be livid if we appointed McLaren. But Ashley is still running our club so to be honest I won't be bothered either way probably just relieved its not some cunt like wise or kinnear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 He isn't. Souness' league cup win with Blackburn eclipses anything McClaren's achieved, also. So beating Oldham, Boro, City (then in second tier), Arsenal, Sheff Wed and a Spurs side containing Ben Thatcher and Chris Perry better than taking Boro (via victories over Stuttgart, Roma and Basel) to the UEFA Cup final? Yes, winning is better than finishing 2nd. That's before you even take into account which teams listed there were taking the respective tournaments more seriously. Kuffour, Mexes, Chivu, De Rossi, Perrotta, Dacourt all started for Roma against them. But hey ho. Sorry, are you saying losing 4-0 to Sevilla in the Uefa Cup is a better achievement than wining the (admittedly s***) League Cup with Blackburn? I'm f***ing bored with this s***, anyway. Anyone legitimately wanting Steve 'Derby are doing well in the Championship and he did well at Boro' McClaren over the suggested/approached realistic European options is a mong. End. Wasn't the argument though. I think the 2 League Cup wins are comparable as achievements, although I don't know the 2 respective squads off by heart admittedly. He isn't. Souness' league cup win with Blackburn eclipses anything McClaren's achieved, also. So beating Oldham, Boro, City (then in second tier), Arsenal, Sheff Wed and a Spurs side containing Ben Thatcher and Chris Perry better than taking Boro (via victories over Stuttgart, Roma and Basel) to the UEFA Cup final? Yes, winning is better than finishing 2nd. That's before you even take into account which teams listed there were taking the respective tournaments more seriously. Kuffour, Mexes, Chivu, De Rossi, Perrotta, Dacourt all started for Roma against them. But hey ho. Sorry, are you saying losing 4-0 to Sevilla in the Uefa Cup is a better achievement than wining the (admittedly s***) League Cup with Blackburn? I'm f***ing bored with this s***, anyway. Anyone legitimately wanting Steve 'Derby are doing well in the Championship and he did well at Boro' McClaren over the suggested/approached realistic European options is a mong. End. I'm not suggesting McClaren should be top of our list, but dismissing him getting Boro to two cup finals (one of which he won) is petty, as would be not acknowledging his achievement in becoming the only manager other than Van Gaal to win the Dutch league with a team outside their traditional big three in 30 years (and in a season when Suarez scored 35 league goals for Ajax). But never mind, cos you're bored. Newsflash: so are we... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 At least Kinnear's funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Describing McClaren as a 5/10 manager is absurd. He has a better CV than Garde, Galtier and Bilic combined. This guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'm not suggesting McClaren should be top of our list, but dismissing him getting Boro to two cup finals (one of which he won) is petty It's about as relevant, or less so, than what Souness achieved before coming here. Poor managers win stuff. McClaren's an average 5/10 manager and nothing in his CV suggests otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm not suggesting McClaren should be top of our list, but dismissing him getting Boro to two cup finals (one of which he won) is petty It's about as relevant, or less so, than what Souness achieved before coming here. Poor managers win stuff. McClaren's an average 5/10 manager and nothing in his CV suggests otherwise. It's going to be a similar feeling to a couple of seasons back when we had the perfect opportunity to bin off Pardle and the likes of Rudi Garcia were out of work that summer. Missed the boat then and by appointing Mclaren we'll be missing it again. Another few seasons of going nowhere, watching average football (at best) with average results. Can't fucking wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That UEFA Cup run was one of the luckiest I have ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie jamie Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 But if it were a choice of carver or mcclaren I know who I'd rather have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 But if it were a choice of carver or mcclaren I know who I'd rather have. this is basically what it comes down to as has been said ashley has probably played this perfectly again, put carver in the seat for a few months to show us how bad things can really be under him again then pitch up with a middle of the road appointment like mclaren so we all think we've won the lottery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 But if it were a choice of carver or mcclaren I know who I'd rather have. Yeah, but it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Seriously I do question the sanity of some on this board. They want us to win some Cups while being successful in the league but when they're presented with someone who has been to multiple finals ,has won a cup and a league title they easily dismiss his entire career as being a fluky run. We may as well brand all teams reaching finals as fluky and concentrate on staying in the league like the higher hierarchy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Steve McClaren is the equivalent of a lifeboat with a hole in it. Aye, I'd rather him than drowning under Charver but fucking hell, he's hardly the long term answer. A sure fire route to mid table and manky 'football'. No ta. One of the foreign applicants might stink but at least they'd offer some hope of change for the initial period. Schteve is more of the same without the PR ability to bullshit the southern press, a la Pardew. Again, there's a good reason he's plodding along in the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 If, and it's a big if, he comes in (I think we'll stick with fucknugget now) it'll only be because he's willing to work with the wankers on the coaching staff. He'd only bring one assistant with him. Garde, very sensibly, would have wanted to clear the cunts out and that would've cost too much money for the current owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I've not seen Derby recently, but last season they were playing some decent football and were a bit unlucky not to go up. He's not a very sexy appointment, but we could do worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I've not seen Derby recently, but last season they were playing some decent football and were a bit unlucky not to go up. He's not a very sexy appointment, but we could do worse. And we could do a fuckload better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 But if it were a choice of carver or mcclaren I know who I'd rather have. Yeah, but it's not. This. Seriously I do question the sanity of some on this board. They want us to win some Cups while being successful in the league but when they're presented with someone who has been to multiple finals ,has won a cup and a league title they easily dismiss his entire career as being a fluky run. We may as well brand all teams reaching finals as fluky and concentrate on staying in the league like the higher hierarchy Souness done all of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 But if it were a choice of carver or mcclaren I know who I'd rather have. Yeah, but it's not. This. Seriously I do question the sanity of some on this board. They want us to win some Cups while being successful in the league but when they're presented with someone who has been to multiple finals ,has won a cup and a league title they easily dismiss his entire career as being a fluky run. We may as well brand all teams reaching finals as fluky and concentrate on staying in the league like the higher hierarchy Souness done all of that. With average sized clubs? Are Rangers and Liverpool who were title challengers in Dalglish's time comparable to Boro and Twente? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That League Cup winning Boro side was better than the side blackburn had when they won the league cup. And i'm sorry - that UEFA Cup run was the luckiest thing I have ever seen. They where awful in the league that season by the way and were in a relegation fight for much of the season. The Twente league win was a big achievement I agree. But he swiftly failed at Wolfsburg. And he failed with England. Team conspired to lose 4-3 to Croatia after being 3-2 up if memory serves. i thought he was hopeless for England and a bit of a charlatan. He did a good job in Holland no doubt. Good job in the Championship but so is McCarthy. It's a horrible league. Not sure what I can take from it other than he has some ability (so does Mick who isn't good enough for the PL). Overall, i'd be disappointed if we hired him. I don't think he would get a job at any of the sides above us imo. We get him I see nothing but average football, average results. If he follows protocol - jumping out the cups too. If he bucked that trend I would be impressed but I am certain it is cruel protocol of the club at the moment. He seems a easier to like man compared to Pardew and Carver but who isn't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Would people be happy with someone like Hodgson by the way? I know he wouldn't come i'm just interested in how people rate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Steve McClaren has done very well for the majority of his career. He wouldn't exactly set the world alight but he'd be a solid choice and a hell of a lot better than the misery I've endured over the last 5 year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hodgson's going senile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Would people be happy with someone like Hodgson by the way? I know he wouldn't come i'm just interested in how people rate him. I was at a mini talk in with Micky Quinn last night and he absolutely slated Hodgson. Literally called him "fucking shite". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hodgson's going senile. Imagine going on a night out with Roy Hodgson and John Motson. The level of conversation would be extraordinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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