Skeletor Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Am I right to believe that the sub he made yesterday was a common feature at Twente, in regards to putting Tiote on in the 2nd half to protect the scoreline? I don't mind it, though our midfield was all but dead in the last 15minutes and I see why he did it. Not cowardly at all in my opinion. Agreed with pretty much everything yesterday apart from starting Obertan. He would usually bring Tiote on to see out games. I assume it must have been for an attacking player most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 He has made a good impression in my opinion. Hope results pick up soon when we play the so-called easier teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Nice to see the attitudes in here based on watching his team play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I do think he'll get Wijnaldum deeper after 10 games or so. He's probably mindful that if he drops him into CM now that it'll currently be alongside one of Colback/Anita, who don't really have the capability to carry someone that's getting used to the league. He's seemingly being very cautious with de Jong's (and Aarons') fitness - which, to be fair, is probably the right thing to do after all the shit that they went through last year - but I reckon we'll see de Jong come in after a little while too as his pre-season comments suggested McClaren thought an awful lot of him. Perez is a tricky one, I really do think his best position in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is in a wider role. Not sure how suited he is as a 10. If we can supply his movement as a wide forward, I think he'll have a tremendous season and bag 10+ goals. Do you think it'll be Tiote and Wijnaldum then? Would require Tiote rediscovering his best form for us, don't know if I can see that happening. I think McClaren also wants Anita to be the foundation of our midfield, the player who takes it from the defense and gets things started. Personally I'd like to see us go primarily with Wijnaldum Anita Sissoko Perez Thauvin Mitrovic Think that could produce some very good football and the players would compliment each other quite well, bit of everything there. The downside to it is that we'd be possibly a little light on presence in CM in tougher games against better opposition, particularly away from home. So when necessary I'd like to see us move Sissoko central and Perez out wide and go with something like this. Anita Sissoko Wijnaldum Perez Thauvin Mitrovic Bit like we saw yesterday, Anita sitting in front of the CB's with two CM's in front who have license to push forward on the counter. Sissoko and Wijnaldum gives us excellent athleticism in the middle of the park. SDJ would obviously be a strong candidate to play AM in the first formation, I put Perez in because he has the ability to move to the right and we could change systems at will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 SDJ can move backwards and Sissoko can move out right in formation two. Might not be as fluid and functioning but still a possibility. I feel once SDJ is fit and found form he will be a lynch pin just like Anita is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'm not gonna worry if we're bottom 3 after our first 8 games. Our first 8 games are a nightmare. It's more what we do with an easier run of games that will be the real yard stick. My only worry is that if it happens confidence will be very low going into those games and affect performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I really like the idea of Anita behind Wijnaldum and Sissoko. Dat fret and pace coming from the centre combined with Perez/Aarons and Thauvin out wide. Think Sissoko would be so well suited to this. Not distributing the ball from deep (Anita) and not forced to make the most difficult of final passes when almost alone up there, because there will be others who are fast enough to get up the pitch and fill in with more bodies. Also Having Mitrovic up there who will be a handful and can keep the ball up if needed when there's no breakthrough ball to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 - Doesn't try and channel the dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Nice to see the attitudes in here based on watching his team play Watching his team play may give you an emotional impression of our progress (or lack thereof), but for the purists who prefer not to get side tracked by games and instead drill down deep into statistical fact... One win in ten, dude. One win in ten! That's almost three times as bad as relegation form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I don't understand people giving out about the tiote sub we clearly needed more legs in midfield and protection in front of the back four which he done a good job. We didn't exactly just shut up shop either..for the thauvin chance at the end of the game we had more bodies going forward than we would have had last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 SDJ can move backwards and Sissoko can move out right in formation two. Might not be as fluid and functioning but still a possibility. I feel once SDJ is fit and found form he will be a lynch pin just like Anita is. Not sure SDJ has the legs for it. Haven't seen a tremendous amount of him so I might be wrong but I had him down as someone who's going to do well operating in the hole using his movement to create space for himself. Asking him to play as a real CM player would possibly negate that as he'd be asked to do a lot more work when we don't have the ball and have to start off from too deep a position when we gain possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 The highlights of SMC so far: - Doesn't talk s**** at every opportunity - Doesn't blame others - Seems to have more than Plan A - Doesn't have his players hoof it - Isn't a massive c*** - Doesn't try and channel the dead - Players seem to be responding - Brought in an actual GK coach - Has seen through many players not good enough - Subs are better than previous managers - Has identifiable long term goals - Plays more attacking football than all our managers since KK - Sent key youngsters out on loan instead of wasting their development The lowlights of SMC so far: - Hasn't sussed Obertan offers nothing but pace - Didn't do enough to keep Cabella - Hasn't pushed for another CB - Over reliant on Colback His faith in Colo would have been a lowlight until yesterday...i think we've got to see how that one pans out. Of course its a results business, and it could quite easily be 2pts from 5 games which is more than relegation form , however it wouldn't tell the real storey and that is there's a much brighter future for the club under him if he continues to approach it like he has done. I didn't want him, thought he f***ed up Derby last season, found him embarrassing at NT level and with his stupid accents but he's already made me feel more interested this season than the previous 4, i cant work out if i should hate him for that or not. Could just as possibly be 8 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Nice to see the attitudes in here based on watching his team play Watching his team play may give you an emotional impression of our progress (or lack thereof), but for the purists who prefer not to get side tracked by games and instead drill down deep into statistical fact... One win in ten, dude. One win in ten! That's almost three times as bad as relegation form. We've only played three games... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 SDJ can move backwards and Sissoko can move out right in formation two. Might not be as fluid and functioning but still a possibility. I feel once SDJ is fit and found form he will be a lynch pin just like Anita is. Not sure SDJ has the legs for it. Haven't seen a tremendous amount of him so I might be wrong but I had him down as someone who's going to do well operating in the hole using his movement to create space for himself. Asking him to play as a real CM player would possibly negate that as he'd be asked to do a lot more work when we don't have the ball and have to start off from too deep a position when we gain possession. This is just a general point really but I'm getting more and more interested in this fabled position. In truth I don't think I have a clue how it works, which is probably because I don't watch enough football, but you see certain teams employ it with so much more efficiency that others. There are times when you will literally see this during a passage of play (attacking team has the ball at this point): Def ------------- Def -------------- Def -------------- Def X Mid ------------ Mid --------------- Mid -------------- Mid (obviously it's not as totally rigid like that, but clearly with one attacker having a segment of the whole width of the pitch to himself). I'm not sure what it takes or how it works, but I suspect it's a real team thing. It won't simply be a case of sticking one man, in the line-up, intended to be 'in the hole'. Which leads me back to a more specific point about what McClaren's up to. He's playing the percentages at the moment and we're playing pretty functionally - in an attempt to blow out some of the cobwebs of the lingering Pardew era and get us doing the basics well again, and being difficult to beat (as he actually said at the very top of his interview on MotD last night). Which means I don't think we'll see anything quite as 'cultured' as someone like De Jong or Perez playing in the hole for a while yet. Really not sure where De Jong fits in atm. It's early, obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in Jan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 To be frank i think De Jong could play in one of the two central spots above the DM position if we were to go 433/4141 permanently, the real question is he better than Sissoko and/or Wijnaldum ? Not particularly sure he is tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 The highlights of SMC so far: - Doesn't talk shite at every opportunity - Doesn't blame others - Seems to have more than Plan A - Doesn't have his players hoof it - Isn't a massive cunt - Doesn't try and channel the dead - Players seem to be responding - Brought in an actual GK coach - Has seen through many players not good enough - Subs are better than previous managers - Has identifiable long term goals - Plays more attacking football than all our managers since KK - Sent key youngsters out on loan instead of wasting their development The lowlights of SMC so far: - Hasn't sussed Obertan offers nothing but pace - Didn't do enough to keep Cabella - Hasn't pushed for another CB - Over reliant on Colback His faith in Colo would have been a lowlight until yesterday...i think we've got to see how that one pans out. Of course its a results business, and it could quite easily be 2pts from 5 games which is more than relegation form, however it wouldn't tell the real storey and that is there's a much brighter future for the club under him if he continues to approach it like he has done. I didn't want him, thought he fucked up Derby last season, found him embarrassing at NT level and with his stupid accents but he's already made me feel more interested this season than the previous 4, i cant work out if i should hate him for that or not. Agree with virtually all this, good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Doesn't try and channel the dead ffs only us would have to list this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 - Doesn't try and channel the dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 His barnet is starting to look like the smoke from a bush fire. Get it sorted Steve for fucks sake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 His barnet is starting to look like the smoke from a bush fire. Get it sorted Steve for f***s sake The ginger island is unnecessary. A Shearer cut is needed imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I like how I've been able to ignore him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 His barnet is starting to look like the smoke from a bush fire. Get it sorted Steve for f***s sake The ginger island is unnecessary. A Shearer cut is needed imo. A trilby hat would be a less drastic option if he really wants to keep those tufts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I like how I've been able to ignore him. Aye this I think. I keep seeing articles with words from him that I just fail to read. It's great after Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Finding it hard to dislike him. Was gutted when we didn't get Garde/Vieira but we just seem a good fit. Far from perfect or the best manager we'd get but something came back to me tonight. Enjoyed watching us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Good start to the season. Above all, I've found myself looking forward to the next match again. It's been a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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