Unbelievable Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Its an absolute disaster, we are 2 points worse off than what we should be with the fixtures we've had. McClaren out! It's true that we've had a tough start to the season and I did expect us to be near the bottom, but if our aim is top 8-10 we should have had more points from those opening fixtures than the currrent 3, or even the 5 you mention. Realistically I would have said 3 points minimum from Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and City, 3 from Watford and another 3 minimum from Southampton, Swansea and West Ham. So we're about -6 from where you would expect us to be. No reason for outright panic, but the pressure is definitely on and if we don't pick up sharpish we could be down and out before Christmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I wouldn't have said minimum 3 points against the 4 elite... I wouldn't expect us to win one. Maybe in a bit when we're more comfortable and not so shite. Even a draw against Chelsea was a bonus really. It was the Watford and West Ham that really shafted us, especially with the unusually awful performance against West Ham. TBH this highlights the difficulty of the league right now, there really aren't any games that we can put down as bankers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 That applies to the top teams too though Ian. If one of them has a upcoming fixture list of four teams aiming for midtable like we supposedly are I'd think they would happily take 8-9 points from those 12.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Its an absolute disaster, we are 2 points worse off than what we should be with the fixtures we've had. McClaren out! It's true that we've had a tough start to the season and I did expect us to be near the bottom, but if our aim is top 8-10 we should have had more points from those opening fixtures than the currrent 3, or even the 5 you mention. Realistically I would have said 3 points minimum from Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and City, 3 from Watford and another 3 minimum from Southampton, Swansea and West Ham. So we're about -6 from where you would expect us to be. No reason for outright panic, but the pressure is definitely on and if we don't pick up sharpish we could be down and out before Christmas. Where did you expect and hope we would finish in the league this season at the start? If you're going to finish top 10 you're going to need more than 9 points from those games. If you're going to be comfortably away from relegation, you're going to need more points than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Liverpool is currently 10th on 12 points. Considering our tougher than average start of the season I would say 9 points from those 8 games would have been about on target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Still Here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I wouldn't have said minimum 3 points against the 4 elite... I wouldn't expect us to win one. Maybe in a bit when we're more comfortable and not so shite. Even a draw against Chelsea was a bonus really. It was the Watford and West Ham that really shafted us, especially with the unusually awful performance against West Ham. TBH this highlights the difficulty of the league right now, there really aren't any games that we can put down as bankers. McClaren hasn't had a kind fixture list so we can give him some leeway for the shocking start, but the lack of willingness from the team to put in a full shift for 90 minutes is not going to be tolerated for much longer. I know for a fact that Abeid would ruin his socks off for the full game and McClaren was willing to let him go for peanuts. Looks a shocking decision now and it did even at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. McClaren is on the board now is he not? I think he has to take some responsibility especially as he was happy enough to endorse giving Colo a new contract. If a manager can't keep a player he thinks is important then he's not really a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The board is a sham to make him seem less like a puppet. Bobby moncur has about as much power on it as a solar powered fan for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. McClaren is on the board now is he not? I think he has to take some responsibility especially as he was happy enough to endorse giving Colo a new contract. If a manager can't keep a player he thinks is important then he's not really a manager. Yeah I'm sure he does, even if it's only symbolic. I just mean that the club wanted to shift Abeid for ages, and McClaren probably didn't have much time to form an opinion on him. Unless he'd said 'stop all sales until January', which in a normal club might have happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. McClaren is on the board now is he not? I think he has to take some responsibility especially as he was happy enough to endorse giving Colo a new contract. If a manager can't keep a player he thinks is important then he's not really a manager. Yeah I'm sure he does, even if it's only symbolic. I just mean that the club wanted to shift Abeid for ages, and McClaren probably didn't have much time to form an opinion on him. Unless he'd said 'stop all sales until January', which in a normal club might have happened. I wish I could understand why the club were so desperate to shift Abeid then. How much did we get for him, 500k or something wasn't it? Yeah I can see why they were so desperate to rake in the cash there like. It's not even as if he's that good a player, but at least you know he would get stuck in for 90 mins and he had the added bonus of not being a 5ft midget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I don't understand either, also don't understand how Pardew was allowed to force out Ben Arfa and Mbiwa. 'Charnley is clueless' is probably the best answer. And something to do with wages vs playing time or something like that. Who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It was the Watford and West Ham that really shafted us, especially with the unusually awful performance against West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. McClaren is on the board now is he not? I think he has to take some responsibility especially as he was happy enough to endorse giving Colo a new contract. If a manager can't keep a player he thinks is important then he's not really a manager. Yeah I'm sure he does, even if it's only symbolic. I just mean that the club wanted to shift Abeid for ages, and McClaren probably didn't have much time to form an opinion on him. Unless he'd said 'stop all sales until January', which in a normal club might have happened. I wish I could understand why the club were so desperate to shift Abeid then. How much did we get for him, 500k or something wasn't it? Yeah I can see why they were so desperate to rake in the cash there like. It's not even as if he's that good a player, but at least you know he would get stuck in for 90 mins and he had the added bonus of not being a 5ft midget. I firmly believe it's part of the current political climate to demonize and get rid of all those of an Arab descent: Ben Arfa, Abeid, Ryan Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I guess we'll never know if Remi Garde said 'No thanks', or it's down to Charnley just being a complete tosser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. McClaren is on the board now is he not? I think he has to take some responsibility especially as he was happy enough to endorse giving Colo a new contract. If a manager can't keep a player he thinks is important then he's not really a manager. Yeah I'm sure he does, even if it's only symbolic. I just mean that the club wanted to shift Abeid for ages, and McClaren probably didn't have much time to form an opinion on him. Unless he'd said 'stop all sales until January', which in a normal club might have happened. I wish I could understand why the club were so desperate to shift Abeid then. How much did we get for him, 500k or something wasn't it? Yeah I can see why they were so desperate to rake in the cash there like. It's not even as if he's that good a player, but at least you know he would get stuck in for 90 mins and he had the added bonus of not being a 5ft midget. I firmly believe it's part of the current political climate to demonize and get rid of all those of an Arab descent: Ben Arfa, Abeid, Ryan Taylor. SyRyan Taylor I believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Oh yeah, I always thought it was mad to sell Abeid. Not sure how much McClaren would have had to do with it mind, seemed like the club was set on getting rid of him for months. McClaren is on the board now is he not? I think he has to take some responsibility especially as he was happy enough to endorse giving Colo a new contract. If a manager can't keep a player he thinks is important then he's not really a manager. Yeah I'm sure he does, even if it's only symbolic. I just mean that the club wanted to shift Abeid for ages, and McClaren probably didn't have much time to form an opinion on him. Unless he'd said 'stop all sales until January', which in a normal club might have happened. I wish I could understand why the club were so desperate to shift Abeid then. How much did we get for him, 500k or something wasn't it? Yeah I can see why they were so desperate to rake in the cash there like. It's not even as if he's that good a player, but at least you know he would get stuck in for 90 mins and he had the added bonus of not being a 5ft midget. I firmly believe it's part of the current political climate to demonize and get rid of all those of an Arab descent: Ben Arfa, Abeid, Ryan Taylor. SyRyan Taylor I believe One more refugee over the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Abeid probably asked for more than 2k a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 No wonder we never win at Homs anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The clubs becoming an Aleppo colony... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incognito Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Playing well in the first half Saturday was a plan Damascus being shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It was the Watford and West Ham that really shafted us, especially with the unusually awful performance against West Ham. I thought we were showing some decent signs before that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Like the pitiful shots on target in the previous 2/3 games. Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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