brummie Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How is Pulis "better" than McClaren? Pulis has won fuck all and his playing style/football philosophy is way worse than McClaren's. McClaren's style isn't pretty either (by anyone's definition) and he won the League Cup and the Eredivise. So what? I'd argue that McClaren's style is far prettier than Pulis's. You should hear Albion fans going on about the way they play - negative, cynical, lumping it long. If you appoint a manager like that on the basis of him being likely to keep you up, you then have to realise that you're going to be stuck with him for another three years - Pulis or McClaren are never going to sign up for a few months alone and then dutifully fuck off afterwards. Getting someone like Pulis in to keep you up is like (what I imagine) shagging some ropey bird you've picked up the night before. It's all good and well while you've had a few drinks and you're getting your leg over, but not so much the next morning when you wake up with a crushing hangover, and you've got a rough minger lying next to you in a pool of blood, shit and semen because she's still there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How is Pulis "better" than McClaren? Pulis has won f*** all and his playing style/football philosophy is way worse than McClaren's. McClaren's style isn't pretty either (by anyone's definition) and he won the League Cup and the Eredivise. So what? Again: How is Pulis better than McClaren? Coz hees betta at managen footbal teems in the Premya Leeg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'd take a chance on an unknown name from the lower divisions over a f***ing bore like McClaren, man. Nothing remotely exciting about him. "But, But...he's better than Carver" isn't good enough to just say OK either, ever. That's an argument I will never, ever understand. Towards the end of the Lambert reign, lots of our fans were calling for all sorts of f***ing stupid stuff - "get Pulis in! He'll keep us up!" "Try to get Allardyce in", and whenever challenged, the answer was always "better than Lambert" Utterly meaningless, in that situation and in this one too. Almost everyone on here believes Carver is absolutely useless and hugely out of his depth. That alone means that "better than Carver" is a totally worthless justification. If Carver is as s*** as he seems to be, how is being "better" than him a meaningful argument? Wouldn't it be possible to be better than Carver AND still be absolutely f***ing hopeless? Why would anyone want that? Man ... Sherwood is looking like he has something about him. You guys are so fortunate. I hate you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 this thread is so fucking depressing like, can we not just get someone in the club who knows a fucking thing about football for a start then go from there? what's that fella who resigned from Southampton doing? he'd be worth his weight in gold for Ashley like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 You should hear Albion fans going on about the way they play - negative, cynical, lumping it long. Every Boro fan I know said the same stuff about McClaren. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'd take a chance on an unknown name from the lower divisions over a fucking bore like McClaren, man. Nothing remotely exciting about him. "But, But...he's better than Carver" isn't good enough to just say OK either, ever. That's an argument I will never, ever understand. Towards the end of the Lambert reign, lots of our fans were calling for all sorts of fucking stupid stuff - "get Pulis in! He'll keep us up!" "Try to get Allardyce in", and whenever challenged, the answer was always "better than Lambert" Utterly meaningless, in that situation and in this one too. Almost everyone on here believes Carver is absolutely useless and hugely out of his depth. That alone means that "better than Carver" is a totally worthless justification. If Carver is as shit as he seems to be, how is being "better" than him a meaningful argument? Wouldn't it be possible to be better than Carver AND still be absolutely fucking hopeless? Why would anyone want that? Because the alternative might be Carver? Point taken, but if the argument to support a particular manager is "better than Carver", then really, there's lots of potential there to appoint other managers who will fill that requirement but also be fucking clueless. Surely the thing to do would be to sack Carver and appoint someone who knows what they're doing? I think part of the reasoning that goes on is that clubs like you and us have been conditioned into having expectations so low, that we start to idealise the appointment of managers that, in years gone by, we would run a mile from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Believe me, I'd never be happy with Pulis either. But he'd have promoted whatever he team he took over in the championship that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'd take a chance on an unknown name from the lower divisions over a f***ing bore like McClaren, man. Nothing remotely exciting about him. "But, But...he's better than Carver" isn't good enough to just say OK either, ever. That's an argument I will never, ever understand. Towards the end of the Lambert reign, lots of our fans were calling for all sorts of f***ing stupid stuff - "get Pulis in! He'll keep us up!" "Try to get Allardyce in", and whenever challenged, the answer was always "better than Lambert" Utterly meaningless, in that situation and in this one too. Almost everyone on here believes Carver is absolutely useless and hugely out of his depth. That alone means that "better than Carver" is a totally worthless justification. If Carver is as s*** as he seems to be, how is being "better" than him a meaningful argument? Wouldn't it be possible to be better than Carver AND still be absolutely f***ing hopeless? Why would anyone want that? Man ... Sherwood is looking like he has something about him. You guys are so fortunate. I hate you! Sherwood has proved very little so far. A blind man on a galloping horse could spot what Lambert needed to change to fix it, and Sherwood has done just that. However, he is still a manager with less than one season of management behind him, one who has never had a transfer window to work in. Basically, I am steeling myself for him buying all sorts of past-it, hopeless former Spurs dross. Livermore, Huddlestone, Dawson, that level of crud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Pulis, McClaren, Pardew, Lambert blah blah blah all not ever fucking worthy to be managers of This club. Sadly Mike Ashley has boiled down and distilled any bit of pride the masses have. We're capable of hiring an excellent name if the owner gave a fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How is Pulis "better" than McClaren? Pulis has won f*** all and his playing style/football philosophy is way worse than McClaren's. McClaren's style isn't pretty either (by anyone's definition) and he won the League Cup and the Eredivise. So what? Again: How is Pulis better than McClaren? Coz hees betta at managen footbal teems in the Premya Leeg. You make a strong case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'd take a chance on an unknown name from the lower divisions over a f***ing bore like McClaren, man. Nothing remotely exciting about him. "But, But...he's better than Carver" isn't good enough to just say OK either, ever. That's an argument I will never, ever understand. Towards the end of the Lambert reign, lots of our fans were calling for all sorts of f***ing stupid stuff - "get Pulis in! He'll keep us up!" "Try to get Allardyce in", and whenever challenged, the answer was always "better than Lambert" Utterly meaningless, in that situation and in this one too. Almost everyone on here believes Carver is absolutely useless and hugely out of his depth. That alone means that "better than Carver" is a totally worthless justification. If Carver is as s*** as he seems to be, how is being "better" than him a meaningful argument? Wouldn't it be possible to be better than Carver AND still be absolutely f***ing hopeless? Why would anyone want that? Man ... Sherwood is looking like he has something about him. You guys are so fortunate. I hate you! Sherwood has proved very little so far. A blind man on a galloping horse could spot what Lambert needed to change to fix it, and Sherwood has done just that. However, he is still a manager with less than one season of management behind him, one who has never had a transfer window to work in. Basically, I am steeling myself for him buying all sorts of past-it, hopeless former Spurs dross. Livermore, Huddlestone, Dawson, that level of crud. Wish that was our only worry! Tell you what has impressed me the most about Sherwood. How he came in and wasn't afraid to play Grealish, and allow him to express himself. I absolutely loved that! He's got form with that too from Spurs, with Bentaleb, Kane and Mason. That is a very good sign IMO. The window will be interesting though for sure. If he can stay away from the has beens, and show some fresh ideas in the window, you guys are in good shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Cups are completely worthless when judging a manager's worth. McClaren's Eredivisie? That's fine, a real achievement. But cups? Winning a few particular games, that might be much easier than your normal ones, depending on your draw, over the course of an entire season that might otherwise have been absolutely shit? Alex McLeish and Graeme Souness have both got a League Cup, whilst Di Matteo has a Champions League - Avram Grant would also have one if John Terry hadn't fell over. It's simply not something that should even be mentioned when discussing the merits of a manager. For that, league seasons are the only true measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'd take a chance on an unknown name from the lower divisions over a f***ing bore like McClaren, man. Nothing remotely exciting about him. "But, But...he's better than Carver" isn't good enough to just say OK either, ever. That's an argument I will never, ever understand. Towards the end of the Lambert reign, lots of our fans were calling for all sorts of f***ing stupid stuff - "get Pulis in! He'll keep us up!" "Try to get Allardyce in", and whenever challenged, the answer was always "better than Lambert" Utterly meaningless, in that situation and in this one too. Almost everyone on here believes Carver is absolutely useless and hugely out of his depth. That alone means that "better than Carver" is a totally worthless justification. If Carver is as s*** as he seems to be, how is being "better" than him a meaningful argument? Wouldn't it be possible to be better than Carver AND still be absolutely f***ing hopeless? Why would anyone want that? Man ... Sherwood is looking like he has something about him. You guys are so fortunate. I hate you! Sherwood has proved very little so far. A blind man on a galloping horse could spot what Lambert needed to change to fix it, and Sherwood has done just that. However, he is still a manager with less than one season of management behind him, one who has never had a transfer window to work in. Basically, I am steeling myself for him buying all sorts of past-it, hopeless former Spurs dross. Livermore, Huddlestone, Dawson, that level of crud. I hated him at Spurs, close to Pardew levels imo, and fortunately I've not seen much of him at Villa from that respect but I don't think the bit in bold will be a concern for you tbh. Have the feeling he'll go down the youth route and if he's going to Spurs he'll be back for untried kids. You never know mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How is Pulis "better" than McClaren? Pulis has won f*** all and his playing style/football philosophy is way worse than McClaren's. McClaren's style isn't pretty either (by anyone's definition) and he won the League Cup and the Eredivise. So what? disagree with this part mind, it was some feat, I think theres only him and van gaal who have won it in recent times and havent been in charge of one of hollands big clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 You should hear Albion fans going on about the way they play - negative, cynical, lumping it long. Every Boro fan I know said the same stuff about McClaren. I can imagine McClaren being a negative manager but I've never really pegged him as being a long ball merchant. The one redeeming quality I thought he might bring is some technical nous. Other than that he's obviously got no ambition whatsoever, and the question still remains, was his best work as no 2 to Alex Ferguson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 How is Pulis "better" than McClaren? Pulis has won fuck all and his playing style/football philosophy is way worse than McClaren's. McClaren's style isn't pretty either (by anyone's definition) and he won the League Cup and the Eredivise. So what? I'd argue that McClaren's style is far prettier than Pulis's. You should hear Albion fans going on about the way they play - negative, cynical, lumping it long. If you appoint a manager like that on the basis of him being likely to keep you up, you then have to realise that you're going to be stuck with him for another three years - Pulis or McClaren are never going to sign up for a few months alone and then dutifully fuck off afterwards. Getting someone like Pulis in to keep you up is like (what I imagine) shagging some ropey bird you've picked up the night before. It's all good and well while you've had a few drinks and you're getting your leg over, but not so much the next morning when you wake up with a crushing hangover, and you've got a rough minger lying next to you in a pool of blood, shit and semen because she's still there They don't like 4 centre backs and 5 non-attacking central midfielders playing? Why ever not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Cups are completely worthless when judging a manager's worth. You must not rate Ancelotti much then But yeah individual one off cup wins aren't a great measure of a manager. McClaren would probably do an acceptable enough job, for what Ashley's ambitions are anyway, but as a fan I'd much much rather the excitement of someone I know very little about who'd at least make next season interesting, and if he's a disaster results wise so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Domestic cups I agree with Wullie, but champions league and EL to a lesser extent is worth looking at when it comes to managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 About to be sacked according to SSN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Sad times when I want Steve McClaren to be sacked from Derby County so I can support my team next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Love it when we get uninspiring English failed football league managers with tarnished reputations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Blatantly heading here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Sad times when I want Steve McClaren to be sacked from Derby County so I can support my team next season. Feel the same way. I'm done if Carver gets it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'd be happy if they announced a dog turd as head coach, just not Carver. Would talk less shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Schteve MehClaren. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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